Thanks all! To clarify, we're only looking at consolidating meters for the common area loads, not the individual residences. The dwellings all have their own PSE&G accounts and will stay on their residential rate. The common area meter tariffs already have demand changes, in some case up to $30/kW in the summer, which is a major driver for consolidation as the aggregated demand can be addressed with storage more cost-effectively. We've engaged a local EE that has consolidated meters in PSG&E territory and is sending over a feasibility study proposal today.
Regards, Andrew Truitt www.dr.ventures d: 202.486.7507 NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional ID: 032407-66 Colorado Journeyman Electrician License No.: 600132 [image: Logo] The content of this email is confidential and intended for the recipient specified in message only. It is strictly forbidden to share any part of this message with any third party, without a written consent of the sender. If you received this message by mistake, please reply to this message and follow with its deletion, so that we can ensure such a mistake does not occur in the future. On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 7:14 AM Dave Tedeyan <dtede...@taitem.com> wrote: > Andrew, > We did this in upstate NY for a housing coop with 12 meters, on two > separate transformers. Our utility put them on a demand meter immediately > even though the demand was never that high. Seems like others have already > warned you to look into that. Another snag was that in NY it required a > petition to the Public Service Commission to allow master metering. There > were certain contracts that needed to be in place for the protection of the > end customer. (i.e., what if the coop fails to pay some bills, but the end > customers are paying the coop. Then it is the end customer that gets > screwed over when the power gets cut off.) They also had a set list of > approved meters that can be used for submetering. We were planning on using > eGauges, but ended up needing to put in an approved glass meter as well. > > Cheers, > Dave > > *Dave Tedeyan, PE* > Senior Engineer | Taitem Engineering, PC > > 110 South Albany Street | Ithaca, NY 14850 > o. *607.277.1118 x121* f. 607.277.2119 > www.taitem.com > > Solar • Sustainability • Energy • Design > B-Corporation Best for the World 2018 Honoree > > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 4:03 PM Christopher Warfel < > cwar...@entech-engineering.com> wrote: > >> Good point Jeff, HOA could all of a sudden be a commercial demand >> account. I think you have to wait for PSEG to tell you what they allow. >> Every situation seems unique, so it is difficult to say what is typical. >> They may be served by multiple service points. PSEG has that information. >> I think it will save you a lot of running around if you get into a >> discussion with the Customer Service of Distribution Engineering sides of >> the company. If it is served by one xfmr than the meter solution would be >> to meter onthe secondary side. But again, Jeff brings up a good point. >> PSEG should be able to combine all 200 accounts into a single account for >> analysis. They can tell you if demand charges would apply to the master >> account, and if by increased kWh billed in the aggregate, if that would >> push you into a lower kWh tariff rate. Chris >> On 7/5/2019 1:52 PM, Andrew Truitt wrote: >> >> >> Thanks fellas. Todd, these meters are already on a single account but >> NJ's remote net metering law only covers public entities 😠. >> >> Chris, all meters are owned by the same entity (the HOA). We have a call >> into the utility (PSE&G). We do not have experience in this area so any >> advice you may have on how to be successful in this endeavour based on your >> time on the other side of the curtain would be appreciated. Would an >> entity like this (a community with ~200 homes) typically be served by a >> single transformer or multiple? If a single then the simplest / most >> attainable solution would be to re-route the 15 meter circuits to a >> pad-mounted panelboard / main meter on the secondary side of the >> transformer, right? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Andrew Truitt >> >> www.dr.ventures >> d: 202.486.7507 >> >> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional ID: 032407-66 >> Colorado Journeyman Electrician License No.: 600132 >> >> [image: Logo] >> >> >> >> The content of this email is confidential and intended for the recipient >> specified in message only. It is strictly forbidden to share any part of >> this message with any third party, without a written consent of the sender. >> If you received this message by mistake, please reply to this message and >> follow with its deletion, so that we can ensure such a mistake does not >> occur in the future. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 5:57 AM Christopher Warfel < >> cwar...@entech-engineering.com> wrote: >> >>> I used to work for a utility and it is utility dependent. The key I >>> think is whether all the submetering customers are actually owned by the >>> same entity. For example, a commercial complex may have several building >>> on site, each submetered. The whole complex could be master metered at the >>> service delivery point. If so, master metering will save in several ways, >>> most notably the monthly charge, but demand charges and possibly a >>> reduction in the energy charge depending upon the tariff can also occur. >>> The utility should be able to run the analysis for you. I would request >>> from the utility the details on master metering at the location. This will >>> quickly get you into their domain/processes. Unless you have experience in >>> this area, it can be difficult to calculate the cost/benefit. Chris >>> >>> >>> On 7/4/2019 2:09 PM, Andrew Truitt wrote: >>> >>> >>> Happy 4th Wrenches! Has anyone ever been through the process of >>> consolidating utility electric meters for a client? We're talking to an >>> HOA that has 15 meters throughout the community for common area loads >>> (clubhouse, pool pump, lighting, fountain...) so they're paying a fixed >>> monthly charge on each in addition to energy and demand charges. >>> Consolidating to a single master meter (possibly with sub-metering) would >>> likely lower their costs on its own, and (more importantly?) would improve >>> the value proposition for a PV+ESS installation. We're not sure if the >>> community is served by a single or multiple transformers yet, but if it is >>> just one then the process should be straightforward from a technical >>> standpoint. The interwebs tell me that some providers (seems like mostly >>> co-ops) are open to this, but I can't find anything for this particular >>> utility. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Andrew Truitt >>> >>> www.dr.ventures >>> d: 202.486.7507 >>> >>> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional ID: 032407-66 >>> Colorado Journeyman Electrician License No.: 600132 >>> >>> [image: Logo] >>> >>> >>> >>> The content of this email is confidential and intended for the recipient >>> specified in message only. 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