Hi Ray In my experience I’ve had plenty of hub and component/comm failures but I’ve never had it shut down the fndc or charge controllers with OB or Schneider equipment.
I’m wondering if you have? Thx Jay Peltz power. > On May 17, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Ray <r...@solarray.com> wrote: > > > I don't connect to the HUB or Mate if I don't have to; both to avoid issues > with the customers changing programming, but also to save the customer money. > However, the #1 reason is that when all the equipment is interconnected, it > is all dependent. A failure in a comm cable or single piece of equipment can > cause all the controllers to shut down. I just don't think the benefits of > com connection out weigh the loss of redundancy. I have many systems with > multiple charge controllers, and I have seen everything from a bad temp > sensor to a single failed controller take the other controllers off line too. > Without the interconnection, a failed controller will just drop the system > to half power, not to zero production. > > This isn't just with Outback, I follow this reasoning with Midnite and Magnum > as well. I often mix equipment (Magnum inverter, Outback Controller) so comm > connection isn't a possibility anyway. We might be missing some bells and > whistles, but our systems stay operational in more situations. Basically > I'm not happy enough with any single manufacturer to give them a monopoly > with my designs. I've always built our systems with the best equipment we > can get for that particular situation. > > Ray Walters > Remote Solar > 303 505-8760 >> On 5/17/20 7:38 AM, Mac Lewis wrote: >> Hi Ray, >> >> I'm curious, do you avoid have the FM100 on the Hub to avoid clients >> changing the programming or have you seen some other issues? I have some of >> them out there and they seem to be solid, all Hub 10.3 connected. >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 3:48 PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar >> <offgridso...@sti.net> wrote: >>> I have little experience with arc fault detection because I do not use them >>> offgrid. Could it save one from starting a wildfire? My experience is I >>> have never had a ground mount start a wildfire and even a bad panel is >>> pretty contained in a failure. >>> >>> I just know that I make a small fortune replacing grid tie inverter AFD's >>> that failsafe in the no solar mode. Definitely do not want another way to >>> lose power offgrid. There are plenty already:) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar >>> "we go where powerlines don't" >>> http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ >>> e-mail offgridso...@sti.net >>> text 209 813 0060 >>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 11:03:11 -0700, Jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi William, >>>> >>>> that warning isn't on the AFCI one, >>>> >>>> Jay >>>> >>>> Peltz power. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 10:41 AM, William Miller <will...@millersolar.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Jay: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On the FM100 landing page. The warning is pasted below. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Due to the different voltage ratings, OutBack Power does not recommend >>>>> mixing the FM100-300VDC with the FM60 or FM80-150VDC controllers on the >>>>> same battery bank. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Interestingly the warning is not seen on the FM100 AFCI landing page. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I thought I saw this also in one of the Owner's manuals but I looked >>>>> today and can't find it there. Interesting... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a client that wants to add a fourth PV array to a system with >>>>> three FM80s. This will require a fourth charge controller. Being able >>>>> to run smaller wire in the existing conduits is an attractive >>>>> proposition, making the FM100 a desirable approach. I now have to figure >>>>> out if I can add the FM100-AFCI (which is apparently the only version >>>>> available) to a system with three FM80s, and if I do, what do I do with >>>>> the existing GFDI breaker and how do I arrange the DC bond? There is a >>>>> lot to consider here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> BTW, I was told by a tech support person for an on-line sales firm that >>>>> the original FM100 did not have the AFCI but those units have been >>>>> discontinued. Now all FM100s have the AFCI capability. I am weighing if >>>>> I want AFCI if it is not required. My territory includes central >>>>> California wild lands so I suppose I should take advantage of any fire >>>>> safety means at my disposal... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Jay [mailto:jay.pe...@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 7:34 AM >>>>> To: will...@millersolar.com; RE-wrenches >>>>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback FM100 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi William >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes downsizing breaker to meet load is no problem. And getting wire that >>>>> big into it with 1" KO is a pain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure any hub will work, needs 3S mate >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Where in the manual did you find the "don't mix with other 60/80 >>>>> controllers? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peltz power >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 12:46 AM, William Miller <will...@millersolar.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Friends: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have occasion to try the FM100 charge controller. I am wondering of >>>>> anyone had found any quirks with implementing this device. I have a few >>>>> specific questions: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. I want to avoid AFCI unless mandated. Will this be defeated if >>>>> I don't run the leads through the sense coil? (There is an AFCI and >>>>> non-AFCI version but I can't seem to find the non-AFCI version anywhere.) >>>>> >>>>> 2. I noticed the manual indicates you are not supposed to mix the >>>>> FM100 with the FM80 or 60 in the same battery system. This negates it >>>>> for one project I had in mind. I am curious as to why this is. Anyone >>>>> know? >>>>> >>>>> 3. Will the FM100 work with a standard hub? >>>>> >>>>> 4. I suppose this unit requires a 125 amp breaker. If the PV array >>>>> cannot support that full 100 amps I might down-size the OCPD accordingly. >>>>> Anyone contemplate this question? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>> William >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>>>> >>>>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>>>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>>> List-Archive: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >>>>> >>>>> List rules & etiquette: >>>>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>>>> >>>>> Check out or update participant bios: >>>>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>>>> >>>>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>>>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>>>> >>>>> List-Archive: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >>>>> >>>>> List rules & etiquette: >>>>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>>>> >>>>> Check out or update participant bios: >>>>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>> >>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List-Archive: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >>> >>> List rules & etiquette: >>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>> >>> Check out or update participant bios: >>> www.members.re-wrenches.org >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Mac Lewis >> >> "Yo solo sé que no sé nada." -Sócrates >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org >
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