On Apr 06, 2007, at 03:01 UTC, Gavin Dimmock wrote:

> I have the same problem here, and this will be the final nail in the 
> coffin for RB. Enough is enough. Having spent the last few hours  
> reading through this list I am appalled at the list bugs and issues  
> with what would seem fairly basic requirements for an IDE:
> 
> Editfield (lacking functionality)
> ContainerControls (poorly implemented)
> HTMLViewer (never really worked correctly)
> MoveFirst in RealSQLDatabase (doesn't work apparently) etc ect
> 
> The list goes on and on. Many of these issues have been around for a 
> very long time.

Most of them are not real issues, I'd say.

  Editfield: works great; was never intended to be a word processor,
but handles text entry and editing following platform standards very
nicely.

  ContainerControls: also work great for me; people can complain about
anything I guess, but I use them quite a bit and find them a real boon
to certain kinds of window design.

  HTMLViewer: haven't had too much experience with this, but I've seen
other people using it successfully.

  MoveFirst: was always documented, right from the beginning, that this
would work only on database engines that support random-access cursors;
most database engines do not.  What would you expect RB to do about
this, read all the data into memory?  You can do that easily enough
yourself when that's what you want, but if RB did it for you under the
hood, you'd be really stuck when that is NOT what you want (as is often
the case).

In short, I think there has been far too much unjustified complaining. 
Compare RB to any other cross-platform development solution and you'll
find it's light-years ahead.  Not perfect, but very good and always
getting better.  When something doesn't work as you like, first check
to see if what you're asking for makes sense, and then file a feature
request.  Whining accomplishes nothing but increasing your stress level
and shortening your lifespan.

> But now the big one. How can we be expected to develop with an IDE  
> that hasn't got its basic navigation tools working correctly.

I wouldn't know personally; it's working fine for me.  Clearly some
people have stumbled over a bug with this though.  So let's examine
your question: is it possible to develop with an IDE that doesn't take
you directly to the right event when you double-click a control?

Well, yes, actually it is.  I know this because prior to RB, *none* of
the other IDEs I used even had the NOTION of jumping directly from a
control to the code involved with that control.  Not CodeWarrior.  Not
the Python IDE.  Not Eclipse.  Not a text editor plus command-line gcc.
Nor Ruby or perl for that matter.  Yet somehow, amazingly, heroically,
I was able to develop applications in these, and so were thousands of
others.

So I strongly suspect that, even if it takes a couple more clicks (or
the use of the Location field, or of Bookmarks, possibly placed in your
favorites bar) than it should to get from the control to the code, if
you soldier on, you'll nonetheless be able to develop your application,
and still do it faster than you would in just about anything else.

Sheesh.

- Joe


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