I had this exact discussion with you, Ryan, almost a year ago about IdealistViewer... wondering why realXtend went out of their way to do an entirely new viewer (Naali was in the planning process at the time). I was going out of my way to keep everyone informed on the status if IdealistViewer. You said that you thought it was good that realXtend was making a completely new viewer instead of working on supporting existing viewers at the time. Your reasons for doing it were quite mysterious to me since IdealistViewer was progressing very nicely. It seemed to me like duplicating work..
Your response to the release of Rai ( you seem offended that 3di made their own viewer ) , now, is hypocritical considering that you thought it was a good thing for separate viewers to be developed when you started Naali. That said, I'm keeping informed about the state of all 3rd party BSD licensed viewers (Naali, Rei ) and entirely new systems (sirikata) and am willing to work with each towards improving the quality of the simulations. It looks to me like, to use the 3di browser viewer in it's current state you need to use the 3di server to get textures and avatar mesh. One thing that's great about it being open source now though, is, if people like the idea of a browser based viewer, they can tweak the asset/texture pipeline to get it to work, completely, on a stock opensimulator. I know that Naali has a nice tab for stock OpenSimulator login already :). Regards Teravus On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Ryan McDougall <sempu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Mark Malewski <mark.malew...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Ryan, >> Thanks for the quick response. What are your thoughts on this? Do you >> think it would help speed up development on the new RealXtend viewer? It > > There might be some ideas here or there, but the design, mission, and > implementation language are all quite different. > > 3Di knew of realXtend's work from very early on, as I made sure to > keep them informed ahead of even public announcements, including > multiple requests to work closely together. My emails and IMs went > largely unanswered, and eventually they made a conscious decision to > go their own direction. I was told quite clearly that they were > interested in working with the OpenSim community, but not realXtend. > > The precise reasons for all this are quite mysterious to me. > >> certainly would be nice to have a web-browser based viewer that would work >> with ModRex/RealXtend. >> Would it possibly make more sense to pull a developer off of "Taiga" and put > > I don't think it makes sense to divert realXtend resources from the > Naali viewer to support Rei. I do hope that Rei can be one day made to > work on multiple backends, including RealXtend, as ultimately it's > just SLUDP extended for meshes. > > Cheers, > >> a developer on "Rei" and possibly just modify it so that it will work with >> BOTH OpenSim stock, and also ModRex? (this way we would have one viewer >> that would work on both platforms natively?) >>> Originally 3Di's proprietary product was based on realXtend. Nearest I >>> can tell it still is >> So do you believe that this viewer could possibly work with the latest >> OpenSim + ModRex? >>> If it doesn't rely on ModreX atm, it's only because the reimplemented >>> something functionally equivalent for the express purpose of not >>> depending on ModreX, which would be sad, as we have always been happy >>> to work with 3Di, but they seem to be uninterested in working with us. >> That is really sad. I understand it might possibly have something to do >> with their "business model" (on their Enterprise/commercial product), but >> I'd like to talk to Norman, because I really would like to see this work >> natively with RealXtend's ModRex. >> Do you think this "Rei" Viewer could easily be modified to work with BOTH >> OpenSim stock, and also OpenSim + ModRex? >> Have you had a chance to look over the Source code yet? Do you think it >> would make more sense to maybe divert some attention away from the current >> "NexGen" Viewer (Taiga?) and possibly look at modifying this "Rei" Viewer so >> that we can use it with ModRex? I think it would be great to have a >> web-based viewer for RealXtend. What are your thoughts on this? >>> Originally 3Di's proprietary product was based on realXtend. Nearest I >>> can tell it still is >> Do you have any ideas how far 3Di's proprietary product is behind the >> current OpenSim trunk? With all of OpenSim's latest changes (on the server >> side), do you have any ideas if this viewer would even work on the latest >> stock build/release of OpenSim? How hard do you think it would be to >> update/modify this "Rei" viewer to work with the latest OpenSim + ModRex? I >> understand the Rex Dev's are spread pretty thin right now, but do you think >> from a development standpoint, that it might make more sense to put a ReX >> developer or two on this "Rei" Viewer, and maybe get "Rei" Viewer working >> with the latest OpenSim + ModRex? >> I hate to sound ignorant, but do you think the latest "ROBUST" changes (by >> Diva) on the OpenSim Server would have ANY effect on the Viewer at all? >> Mark >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Ryan McDougall <sempu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Mark Malewski <mark.malew...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > RealXtend, >>> > Have any of the RealXtend core developer's had a chance to look at this >>> > OpenSource "Rei" viewer yet? >>> >>> Yeah, as a former employee of 3Di, I've known this was in the works >>> for a while. Looking at the source code atm. >>> >>> > It seems to be an OpenSource web-based viewer. It looks pretty cool. >>> > Would >>> > this OpenSource contribution help RealXtend's Viewer project in any way? >>> >>> In theory it fills a gap where people want to run a realXtend world in >>> the browser. See below. >>> >>> > Could this viewer be easily modified to work with BOTH the stock >>> > OpenSim >>> > AND also work with RealXtend & ModRex? >>> >>> Originally 3Di's proprietary product was based on realXtend. Nearest I >>> can tell it still is, as realXtend viewer is required to construct 3Di >>> OpenSim worlds. >>> >>> If it doesn't rely on ModreX atm, it's only because the reimplemented >>> something functionally equivalent for the express purpose of not >>> depending on ModreX, which would be sad, as we have always been happy >>> to work with 3Di, but they seem to be uninterested in working with us. >>> >>> > Mark >>> >>> Cheers, >>> > >>> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Mark Malewski <mark.malew...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Nlin, >>> >> Thank-you very much for the post, that seems like an excellent >>> >> contribution to the OpenSim Community! >>> >> I'm wondering what type of effect this might have on RealXtend's >>> >> project >>> >> development of a new viewer? >>> >> Will this "Rei" viewer work with the latest stock OpenSim server? >>> >> Mark >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:24 PM, nlin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> Today 3Di's in-browser viewer source code has been opened up, as the >>> >>> project 3Di Viewer "Rei". The license is BSD. Please have a look if >>> >>> you are >>> >>> interested! >>> >>> >>> >>> Project home page: http://3di-rei.org >>> >>> Press release: http://3di.jp/en/news/2009093001.html >>> >>> >>> >>> We're very interested in further development of this open source >>> >>> viewer >>> >>> with the community. Thanks to the IdealistViewer developers, as >>> >>> portions of >>> >>> Rei use source code from an early version of IdealistViewer. Rei uses >>> >>> no >>> >>> code from GPL-licensed viewers. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Rei source code is in git at github, with the main repository at: >>> >>> http://github.com/3di/3di-viewer-rei >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -nlin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ http://groups.google.com/group/realxtend http://www.realxtend.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
