Sounds much better. So we should make bin/win32/{external_deps|runtime_deps}
- Jonne
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Ryan McDougall <sempu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Toni Alatalo <ant...@kyperjokki.fi> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Jonne Nauha <jonne.na...@evocativi.com>
> > wrote:
> >>> For Ryans ps: Well I'd much rather see <deps_svn>/external_libs and
> >>> <deps_svn>/runtime_libs. Windows, linux and mac under them both. Now we
> have
> >>>
> >
> > The downside of that is that someone wanting e.g. just the Mac
> > dependencies couldn't check out a mac dir, but would have to either
> > check out whole deps_svn and get the libs for all platforms in vain, or
> > do two separate checkouts to get the two mac dirs.
>
> Good point.
>
> Not sure what problems are caused on windows by the current situation,
> but there is no point in causing other users problems.
>
> Here is what I'd like to see, but I'm not volunteering for it, as it
> mostly doesn't affect me:
>
> bin/{win32|win64|mac}/<whatever makes sense on your platform> (ex:
> bin/win32/{build|dist})
>
> Cheers,
>
> > Neither may be a problem really, but just wanted to point out that this
> > is perhaps not an optimal solution. I do agree that the most important
> > thing is that it's easy to setup, the simplest copying possible.
> > Probably checking out the whole deps and having to download all is ok,
> > and if someone is on a slow connection / with tight disk space, they can
> > do the two checkouts in that exceptional case.
> >
> > This may become more annoying if we end up with like >10 platform dirs
> > in there (iphone, solaris, android, ps3, xbox, symbian, plan9 and hal)
> > but I guess win, lin and mac cover it for long now (at least if the
> > different variants of those can be handled with a single case, and there
> > wont be winxp, vista, win7, minwin, 32bit, 64bit, leopards with and
> > without snow etc).
> >
> > The blender deps lib/ dir in svn seems to have these dirs .. seems
> > ppc/intel was one distinction i didn't consider, and that with linux you
> > may wanna have different glibc versions supported etc?
> >
> >
> https://projects.blender.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/lib/?root=bf-blender
> > darwin-6.1-powerpc/ 22397 7 weeks ton 2.5 Homebrewn own
> > python 3.1 .a compiled on PPC 10.3
> > darwin-8.0.0-powerpc/ 11714 2 years lukep libopen al
> > for os x
> > darwin-8.x.i386/ 22784 5 weeks nexyon For some reason
> > svn skipped the libsndfile.a in last commit.
> > irix-6.5-mips/ 19942 5 months campbellbarton remove
> > ~45mb of unneeded pyo and pyc files
> > linux-glibc2.2.5-i386/ 2768 5 years larstiq - Update
> > FTGL to version 2.0.9
> > linux-glibc2.3.1-i386/ 317 6 years larstiq Enough is
> > quite enough, ode lib and header for linux powerpc and i386
> > linux-glibc2.3.1-powerpc/ 317 6 years larstiq Enough
> > is quite enough, ode lib and header for linux powerpc and i386
> > solaris-2.10-x86_64/ 14817 16 months campbellbarton
> > Adding freetype to solaris x86_64
> > solaris-2.8-sparc/ 13107 21 months campbellbarton
> > removing pyc and pyo files
> > tests/ 9855 2 years letterrip = game engine logic test
> > suite = this is a gameengine test suite for game engin...
> > win64/ 22868 5 weeks campbellbarton Fix for 2.49b
> > release. Windows python26 would fail importing
> > windows/ 23464 10 days jesterking * scons/mingw: ensure
> > all necessary symbols are visible for debug build
> >
> > So there it's clearly nice you can just get the dir of your platform.
> >
> > ~Toni
> >
> >>> totally (in my opinion, other you do copying from, other you just refer
> to
> >>> with a path variable) two different things inside each other. And as we
> see
> >>> here this is confusing people where to copy what, what dist means and
> why
> >>> there is 1-2 "bin" folders inside a "bin" folder etc. :)
> >>>
> >>> Would be easier to write wikis/readmes for this setup if we had the two
> >>> functionally different things separeted. The other thing you just put
> there
> >>> and setup the NAALI_DEP_PATH to it, the other you would just copy the
> whole
> >>> content into your naali/bin. But hey thats just my opinion and its only
> >>> based on how my brain works and not that much on the techicalities of
> the
> >>> subject :)
> >>>
> >>> - Jonne
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Ryan McDougall <sempu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Paul Fishwick <fishw...@cise.ufl.edu>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 1. In C:\viewerdeps\bin\windows\dist\bin, there are dlls in
> >>>>> subdirectories
> >>>>> as well as in this main directory. Are *all" DLLs to be copied
> >>>>> (including
> >>>>> those in the subdirectoriees (farsight2-0.0, gabble..) or only the
> DLLs
> >>>>> directly in dist\bin ?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Copy the whole lot, as that includes all runtime dependencies which
> >>>> we've precomputed, and you just slam in there.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> 2. In your instructions, the next step is to copy the DLLs to a new
> >>>>> folder
> >>>>> yet to be created: C:\viewerTrunk\viewer\bin, and then to continue to
> >>>>> section
> >>>>> #4 (Building the Viewer). Then there is a reference in section #4 to
> >>>>> a file "viewerTrunk\viewer\CmakeLists.txt. Where is this file? I do
> not
> >>>>> recall
> >>>>> seeing instructions in:
> >>>>>
> >>>> That file is in SVN:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://dev.realxtend.org/gf/project/viewer/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2FCMakeLists.txt&view=markup
> >>>>
> >>>> But to just build the viewer, you don't even need to know that, just
> >>>> run cmake_vs2008.bat
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://wiki.realxtend.org/index.php/Building_Naali_in_Windows
> >>>>>
> >>>>> for downloading additional files into "viewertrunk". Have I missed a
> >>>>> step?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -p
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> If you're downloading SVN trunk, you need to use the instructions
> >>>> here:
> >>>>
> http://dev.realxtend.org/gf/project/viewer/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fdoc%2Fbuild-windows.txt&view=markup
> >>>>
> >>>> If you're downloading from SVN tag, you can use the wiki instructions.
> >>>> I guess this wasn't made very clear: wiki tracks releases, svn tracks
> >>>> svn HEAD.
> >>>>
> >>>> #1 solve the build dependencies, that's in viewerdeps/bin/windows/*
> >>>> #2 build the viewer using cmake_vs3008.bat
> >>>> #3 solve the runtime dependencies, that's in
> >>>> viewerdeps/bin/windows/dist/bin -> trunk/viewer/bin
> >>>> #4 run trunk/viewer/bin
> >>>>
> >>>> In linux it's all quite a bit easier, you do
> >>>>
> >>>> #1 sudo yum/apt-get <ALL DEPS>
> >>>> #2 cmake . && make
> >>>> #3 ./bin/viewer
> >>>>
> >>>> but the linux build so far has less testing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jonne Nauha wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Small correction runtime dll:s that you copy to <naali_trunk>/bin
> are
> >>>>>> in "/bin/windows/dist/bin". Small renaming of folders recently :)
> Its
> >>>>>> still a little confusing, but thats how it is for now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>> ps. The fix would be to put the build dependencies into
> >>>> "bin/windows/build/*. I take it you've signed up to do that? :P
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> - Jonne
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Toni Alatalo <ant...@kyperjokki.fi
> >>>>>> <mailto:ant...@kyperjokki.fi>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Paul Fishwick kirjoitti:
> >>>>>> > Well, if possible, I'd like to use your precompiled dependency
> >>>>>> package
> >>>>>> > without having to build it. Does this precompiled package (w/
> >>>>>> the DLLs that I need to copy)
> >>>>>> > exist somewhere? It is not under:
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We just moved that precompiled zip to be a binary dir in the
> >>>>>> dependencies svn, lib/windows/lib has deps for bulding and
> >>>>>> lib/windows/bin the runtime dlls iirc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > http://dev.realxtend.org/gf/project/viewerdeps/frs/
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So they've been updated in the svn of that project, also the
> >>>>>> binaries
> >>>>>> for windows, to match what current trunk head needs. On linux
> the
> >>>>>> distributions have almost all of the deps, and most of the deps
> >>>>>> sources
> >>>>>> are in that svn in trunk/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > -p
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ~Toni
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > Ryan McDougall wrote:
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >> There is a bit of a mis-match in documentation there. The
> wiki
> >>>>>> >> documents the 0.0.1 release IIRC. There should be a version
> in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> >> doc/ folder in SVN that documents HEAD.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> We've basically removed the viewer deps tarball/zip in favour
> >>>>>> of the
> >>>>>> >> viewerdeps SVN, which appears to be what you've got, so don't
> >>>>>> worry
> >>>>>> >> about it.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> If you're using VC++ express, often you'll need the MS
> Windows
> >>>>>> >> platform SDK to compile most anything with express; however
> >>>>>> since I
> >>>>>> >> don't think we call any windows APIs directly (instead we go
> >>>>>> through
> >>>>>> >> Qt), you may not need that. Also, there are some licensing
> >>>>>> >> restrictions what you can do with a binary compiled by
> express.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> I'm not sure one "configures" the modules per se, only that
> if
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> >> don't need a module, commenting it out from the build will
> make
> >>>>>> sure
> >>>>>> >> it's not linked. At this point I think you can just use the
> >>>>>> cmake file
> >>>>>> >> you get from a clean checkout.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Please let us know if you have any other problems.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Cheers,
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Paul Fishwick
> >>>>>> <fishw...@cise.ufl.edu <mailto:fishw...@cise.ufl.edu>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> Jonne
> >>>>>> >>> I thought I'd try to build Naali from source to see where
> it
> >>>>>> is in
> >>>>>> >>> development. The
> >>>>>> >>> plan would be to use Naali to access an existing Opensim
> >>>>>> server. Using
> >>>>>> >>> this guideline:
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> http://wiki.realxtend.org/index.php/Building_Naali_in_Windows
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Installing CMake was not an issue, but I do not follow
> these
> >>>>>> >>> instructions.
> >>>>>> >>> From Gforge, I used the access info: svn co
> >>>>>> >>> http://dev.realxtend.org/svn/viewerdeps
> >>>>>> >>> to C:\viewerdeps. Where is "viewer-dependencies-VS2008" ?
> >>>>>> Also, can
> >>>>>> >>> Visual C++ Express edition be used (in the same spirit as
> one
> >>>>>> can use
> >>>>>> >>> Visual C# Express edition to compile opensim)? Thanks
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> I also have some questions on "Building the Viewer" but
> have
> >>>>>> yet to get
> >>>>>> >>> to that
> >>>>>> >>> stage, such as:
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> What does "Open up .... and configure the set of modules by
> >>>>>> commenting
> >>>>>> >>> out the
> >>>>>> >>> unnecessary ones.." mean ? Anyway, I suppose I'll cross
> that
> >>>>>> bridge
> >>>>>> >>> when I come
> >>>>>> >>> to it.
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> -p
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> ..............................
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> Jonne Nauha wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> Here is a wiki page where I tried to cover the most server
> >>>>>> and auth
> >>>>>> >>>> types and how to login to/with them.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> http://wiki.realxtend.org/index.php/Getting_Started_with_Naali#Login_to_worlds
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> - Jonne
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>> --
> >>>>>> >>> Paul Fishwick, PhD
> >>>>>> >>> Professor and Director, Digital Arts and Sciences Programs
> >>>>>> >>> University of Florida
> >>>>>> >>> Computer & Information Science and Eng. Dept.
> >>>>>> >>> Bldg. CSE, Room 301
> >>>>>> >>> P.O. Box 116120
> >>>>>> >>> Gainesville, FL 32611
> >>>>>> >>> Email: fishw...@cise.ufl.edu <mailto:fishw...@cise.ufl.edu>
> >>>>>> >>> Phone: (352) 392-1414
> >>>>>> >>> Fax: (352) 392-1220
> >>>>>> >>> Web: http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick
> >>>>>> <http://www.cise.ufl.edu/%7Efishwick>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Jonne Nauha
> >>>>>> realXtend developer
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.realxtend.org/
> >>>>>> http://www.evocativi.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Paul Fishwick, PhD
> >>>>> Professor and Director, Digital Arts and Sciences Programs
> >>>>> University of Florida
> >>>>> Computer & Information Science and Eng. Dept.
> >>>>> Bldg. CSE, Room 301
> >>>>> P.O. Box 116120
> >>>>> Gainesville, FL 32611
> >>>>> Email: fishw...@cise.ufl.edu
> >>>>> Phone: (352) 392-1414
> >>>>> Fax: (352) 392-1220
> >>>>> Web: http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~fishwick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Jonne Nauha
> >>> realXtend developer
> >>>
> >>> http://www.realxtend.org/
> >>> http://www.evocativi.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>
--
Best regards,
Jonne Nauha
realXtend developer
http://www.realxtend.org/
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