On Feb 13, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Petr Krenzelok wrote:

> Yes, but I also wonder WHO of us uses Java productively? Because, last
> time I talked to Cyphre - who did some game in Java for his company,
> complained about how BAD acutally compatibility is, and wonders if SUN
> cares about QA assurance, as it does not seems to be so. According to
> him it looks more like each cell phone company implements functions by
> themselves, not by porting some standard code. So I think even with 
> Java
> it will not be so all-works-as-expected, although I understand your
> point in regards to rebol ...

 From what I have seen in the Java world this is an
interesting point.  On the one side Java is being
used for big projects, internal or as the basis for
web services, where the portability is of little value.
It is used because it is the "hot" language.  It is
easier than C++ and has a big community of
developers and libraries.  On the other side I see
products like jEdit (www.jedit.org) and Eclipse
where the portability is important.  In these two
products you can see some of the "not" all works
as expected, yet it works well enough to be cross
platform and functional.  I don't use Java as a
developer myself but I am now using Java based
products every day.  This is quite a switch from a
couple of years ago when I wouldn't have touched
a Java based product for any number of reasons -
performance, non standard UI, install and version
compatibility headaches.

Of course part of this is due to decent Java support
on Mac OS X and the lack of some products on that
platform.  Still, it now has me using jEdit and Eclipse
on Windows as well.  If I used my Linux machine as
anything other than a server Java tools might play
an even bigger role for the portability factor.

FWIW, Rod.

Rod Gaither
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oak Ridge, NC USA

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