I am forwarding Graham Young's message which bounced because it was too
long. Please, everyone remember to remove the older parts of messages
that are not needed for clarity.
Trudy
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Karen,
I am sorry that you feel that I was attacking you. That wasn't my =
intention at all. I am trying to understand what you think, and the =
only way to do that is to start with the most basic concepts and then =
work upwards. There has got to be some point where we can all agree on
=
something. Once we have reached a point like that it then allows us to
=
move back up the trail and find where we disagree. At the moment we are
=
disagreeing at a point so far down the track that we have moved too far
=
away from each other to be able to communicate.
Trudy put an example to you which was a model for Aboriginal =
dispossession and injury. You seemed to accept that there was a moral =
wrong involved. I sought to clarify if that is what you thought. So =
it wasn't something that I brought up at all. It was something that had
=
come up in your conversation with Trudy.
Why do I think that you are copping out? Because this is a basic =
question, and I don't see how anyone can carry out a discussion on =
reconciliation without having formed an opinion on it. I certainly =
think, reading your posts, that you have formed an opinion. If you =
truly haven't formed an opinion on it, then you need to. I don't spend
=
my time researching Aboriginal issues on the net, or anywhere else for =
that matter. The research to make a decision on whether the settlement
=
was right or wrong is easy to come by. Most of what I know comes from
=
the major newspapers.
The reason that I brought up Terra Nullius was because it is about the =
only defence against Aboriginal dispossession being wrong. What the =
doctrine said was that this land was not owned by anyone before the =
European settlers appeared. The Aborigines and Islanders were here, but
=
they were thought not to have any right or title in the land. That =
entitled the Europeans to settle where they liked and set up their own =
system of title. This was the law of the land until the Mabo decision,
=
which involved not Aborigines but the Merriam people (Micronesians I =
think). They had a system of individual ownership of land unlike that =
of the Aborigines and the High Court found that this gave rise to =
continuing property rights under our system. In this judgement they =
made non-binding suggestions that there might be property rights on the
=
mainland. The rest is history as succeeding cases have confirmed that =
those rights do exist on the Mainland, and have decided what they might
=
be, and their nature. =20
So, maybe you disagree with the High Court and believe that the land was
=
originally owned by no-one. If so, perhaps we should start at that =
point. =20
Graham Young
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From: Karen Crook=20
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
Graham says: If you don't know enough, then do us the courtesy of =
doing some research and finding out.
Karen says:=20
Excuse me but you were the one to bring up this subject in the first =
place. I never once mentioned this topic. You mention it last night and
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when I reply with an honest answer you shoot me down with a do more =
research?!?!?!?!
I answered you as honestly as I could by saying that I could not give
=
an informed opinion on something I did not know too much about.
And whether it is 200 years, 100 years or 50 years - it doesn't matter
=
what I think. I cannot comment on something I am not that familiar with
=
or haven't had some experience with. I'm giving my opinions on things =
that I have seen, heard and witnessed during my time.
It is not a cop out but the statement of truth.=20
And as I am working all day WITHOUT the internet I only get to play =
with it at home at night. So I do not spend all my time researching "the
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High Court's overturning of the doctrine of Terra Nullius which found =
that in fact the indigenous peoples had title to this land before the =
Europeans came." I do have other things to do.
=20
So don't attack me for giving you an honest "I don't know enough". You
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brought it up, not me.
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