Do a block sender on my e-mail address!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Claire O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2000 12:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
Hello
can someone tell me if it is possible to receive all mail from a list except
one sender.
I admire anyone who attempts to answer this sort of time consuming comment
but when I get email sent from
one person (and there seem to be more than 6 in one day), whose views and
attitudes I am fully acquainted
with but dont really want to listen to, I would like to be able to configure
my system so it doesnt arrive
in the first place.
Thanks
Claire
Karen Crook wrote:
> In other words I will never forget what happened to me but the greatest
> revenge I can have to the person in question is to live my life to the
> fullest. Letting them know they did not destroy me!!
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmm, sweet revenge!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glenn Murray
> Sent: Monday, 13 March 2000 9:24 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
>
> <I have not forgiven but I have certainly tried to make something out of
my
> life.>
>
> Reconciliation without forgiveness??? Hmmmm...
>
> Glenn Murray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karen Crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 4:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
>
> >How would you feel, Karen? Would you forgive them and go forward as if
> nothing had happened? >Would you think you now had equality?
> >Would you betray the love of your children and parents and their deaths
and
> agree to forget so that >they could feel better?
>
> No, I would not forgive them and no I would not think I had equality. But
I
> would also know that the siblings were not responsible for their parents
> actions. You cannot hold someone responsible for someone else's actions.
One
> would probably be impressed with the fact they came forward and
acknowledged
> what had happened and agreed to try and make things better. Is that so
> wrong?
>
> As for apologising with reconciliation: Why should I be forced to betray
my
> own innocence and apologise for something I never had any involvement
with?
> My family were never involved so I personally do not wish to apologise.
I'm
> not being stubborn or a racist just simply standing up for my beliefs, my
> morals and my own family's innocence.
>
> Perhaps people should be knocking on the doors of those who actually were
> responsible for each individual atrocity and bring them to justice - if
they
> are still alive.
> They are the ones you want to say sorry.
> By saying that everybody should apologise, you then make people feel
guilty
> for something they did not do - trying to force the hand - when all we
want
> to do is move on in a peaceful, harmonious life.
>
> I do understand the story and it is very sad. Over time most people never
> forget but they do move on. It's not about whether the other person or
their
> children apologise, it is about yourself becoming stronger and moving on
> with life. Everyone has suffered some sort of hardship in their life. But
no
> matter how much the anger stays with one you cannot expect someone who had
> nothing to do with the original sin to apologise. It's like admitting to a
> crime you did not commit!
>
> I have suffered some very distressing and personal issues of my own where
I
> had an amazing level of anger inside me. Eventually over time though I
have
> moved on. I have not forgiven but I have certainly tried to make something
> out of my life. I realised that there was no point in grieving all the
time
> - it gets you no where and realising that what happened happened even for
no
> good reason.
>
> What makes you think I was being so defensive about my age???? I put
forward
> my age simply to show which generation I am from and that my views are
from
> a younger person.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy and Rod Bray
> Sent: Sunday, 12 March 2000 3:06 PM
> To: RecOzNet2
> Subject: Re: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
>
> Karen,
>
> I don't know why you are so defensive about your age. There are many young
> people on the list. Some younger than you are.
>
> You ask why an apology is necessary and how it will make reconciliation
> work. An apology is only a part of reconciliation but a very necessary
part.
>
> Let me pose you a scenario:
> You are married and have children. You live with your extended family on a
> very productive farm and everyone gets along pretty well and have enough
to
> eat.
> Then, some people you've never seen before come onto your farm and begin
> shooting your family. Your husband and 2 of your 5 children are killed
right
> in front of you.. Most of your extended family, your mother and father,
> aunts and uncles are killed. Some of the men come and rape your two young
> daughters and bash your young son. Almost all the people you have known
and
> loved all your life are dead and you have no one to comfort you or to help
> you. They take your farm and everything on it and leave you a small plot
to
> live on but only if you work the farm for barely enough food to live on.
You
> have no choice because you don't want your children to starve to death so
> you work for the people who took everything you loved from you.
> Eventually, your two daughters give birth to a child each but they look
> different from your family and before long, the people you work for tear
the
> the children away from your daughters and leave with them. You are
> grief-stricken for your daughters and the loss of your grandchildren, you
> are angry but helpless to do anything about it. Your son has never been
the
> same since his bashing and is sullen and refuses to do anything except
> destroy everything he touches. You can't reach him no matter what you do
and
> you fear for his life. Your daughters become distant and begin drinking to
> forget what has happened to them and one morning you find one of them
dead.
> She is 18.
> The years pass and you are now getting old. The people who took everything
> from you are dead and their children are now in charge. They still make
you
> work hard and give you a little extra now and then.
> Then, one day they come to see you. They want everything that has happened
> to be forgotten. They now want to live as equals. They offer to give you a
> bit more land so that you can grow things for yourself and have a bit more
> to eat. Of course, you will no longer get anything extra from them. Also,
> the conditions attached to this land are that everything is to be done as
> they instruct. You cannot follow the practices of the past. They offer to
> educate your new grandchild but insist on choosing what is taught and only
> in their language.
> They want to go forward as if nothing has happened and they want you to
> forget what their parents did to you and your family and not live in the
> past. They refuse to apologise because they don't feel responsible for
what
> their parents did even though they know what their parents did and they
are
> growing rich on what the farm produces. They cannot even bring themselves
to
> tell you that they are sorry for what you have suffered....
>
> How would you feel, Karen? Would you forgive them and go forward as if
> nothing had happened? Would you think you now had equality?
> Would you betray the love of your children and parents and their deaths
and
> agree to forget so that they could feel better?
>
> Trudy
>
> Karen wrote:
>
> > Tim,
>
> >Just because he doesn't believe in saying sorry doesn't mean he doesn't
> believe in people living as >a nation united!!
>
> >There is no need for a sorry - how will it make reconciliation work?
>
> >Can anyone even answer that question?
>
> Karen
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]On Behalf Of tdunlop
>
> Sent: Saturday, 11 March 2000 9:09 AM
>
> To: RecOzNet2
>
> Subject: [recoznet2] has the man no shame!!!!!
>
> Trudy wrote:
>
> Howard is saying nothing new but I think the time has come for
>
> people to ask him to prove his 'commitment'. So far, all his actions
>
> have proved the opposite. --- Trudy
>
> Trudy,
>
> Not just his actions, but his words. I can't believe anyone at all
can
> take him seriously on this. I can't believe he has the nerve to come out
of
> a meeting and
>
> say, once again, that he's committed to reconciliation. It's only a
> week ago on 3AW that he said: "What baffles me about this (reconciliation)
> issue is that I'm
>
> expected to repudiate my own personal beliefs; I'm told that the only
> way I can show leadership on this issue is to do something I don't believe
> in."
>
> The game was up the moment he uttered this, for once, truthful
comment
> - he doesn't believe in it. But still, his comment about being committed
to
>
> reconciliation keeps popping like an unflushable turd. Bit like the
> man himself.
>
> I'm flabbergasted.
>
> Tim
>
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