Kasey, I think I DID say:  presumption of innocence and right to a 
fair trial.

And, Graham:  Police would be the first to say they are not social 
workers.  Social workers would be the first to say they are not 
police.  We encourage the muddying of those professional 
boundaries at our own risk.

Sandy wrote:
"diverted" into various
>rehab programs BEFORE they are found guilty of anything.  And
>who's to do the diverting?  The police.  Because they suspect
>someone of being up to something.  Absolutely no presumption of
>innocence. 

> "So in 2000 in this country the government is putting into place a
> mechanism to completely deny its citizens  what we thought was a basic
> civil liberty."

Kasey asked:

> Exactly which civil liberty are you talking about here? You don't say.


But do we really have, as an email list, to go through this 
"education" of an antagonistic newcomer once again?  This will be 
the third time, and no good ever comes of it.  

(And it does indeed seem to happen when the gov't is up to 
something horrible and dramatic:  this time,  they're rolling back 
the influence of the UN in Australia while getting tough with 
refugees.  And Labor is softening up on indigenous land rights.  
And we're supposed to try to explain ourselves to Kasey?  Jeez.)

Sandy
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