On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Tony Nugent wrote:
>
> >> John, it is obvious that neither of us is lying here, but both of
> >> us had very different experiences with Glint. I had so much
> >> trouble with it that I gave up on it. I was told it was buggy
> >
> >[ ... ]
> >
> >They should have fixed the bugs and improved on it (or even ported
> >it to a gtk/gnome interface), rather than lump us all with something
> >so brain-dead and frustrating to use as it is.
>
> I can't speak for Red Hat, but my observation is that Glint was
> buggy, and a native GNOME/Gtk app would be much nicer. GNOrpm
> came along, and is no less stable than glint really.. I got
> bitten by gnorpm and was angry about it, however I don't think
> going backwards to glint is the answer. Going forwards to
> improve gnorpm where it lacks is the answer, or writing a new
> application to replace it. Porting tcl/tk to gtk/gnome would be
In case you haven't been following - Alan is fixing gnorpm.. check
out his diary from the last month or so: http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/
Somehow I've a feeling it just might get usable in the next release :)
(for now sticking strictly with the command line...)
- Panu -
> futile - really it would be a whole new application, and gnorpm
> exists allready. It would make more sense to spend the time/$$$
> to make gnorpm do what is needed. I honestly don't think too
> many people use gnorpm though so that could indicate why it is so
> buggy. People are not likely to continue using a buggy app after
> being bitten, especially for sysadmin stuff.
>
>
> >> I found something, but it isn't GUI. "purp" is an ncurses based
> >> RPM frontend, and it works excellent. I never had any trouble
> >
> >Never heard of it, but thanks for the tip.
>
> Yep, it is full screen ncurses. I believe it was written by
> Preston Brown (I think that's his name..).
>
> 3 root@asdf:~# rpm -qip /stuff/linux/purp-0.4.0-1.src.rpm
> Name : purp Relocations: (not
> relocateable)
> Version : 0.4.0 Vendor: (none)
> Release : 1 Build Date: Fri Aug
> 28 14:56:42 1998Install date: (not installed) Build
> Host: pudas.rydnet.lysator.liu.se
> Group : Utilities/System Source RPM: (none)
> Size : 48028 License: GPL
> Packager : Anders Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> URL : http://www.lysator.liu.se/purp/
> Summary : A ncurses-based RPM-handler
> Description :
> A ncurses-based RPM-handler which provides a fast and powerful
> way to navigate, install, upgrade and uninstall RPM-packages on
> text-terminal-devices.
>
>
> >> At any rate, I doubt highly that they will resurrect glint, so
> >> about the only thing one can do is download glint and start
> >> hacking tcl/tk with no rpm documentation. ;o) Or - file
> >> bugzilla reports on gnorpm. The sad thing is a bug report could
> >> mean that your rpmdb just got trashed... ;o(
> >
> >It's not exactly buggy, just VERY POORLY designed. I mean, it just
> >isn't intuiative, nor is it in any way flexable. For example, it
> >demands to see your rpm database, and oftentimes it just isn't what
> >you want to happen.
>
> I agree mostly.. but it is a start to go on should someone want
> to replace it. What I'd like to hear is if anyone is working on
> it right now, or on a better app. I'll bet the helixcode guys
> are doing something..
>
>
> >So, not a bug. It needs a total re-write.
>
> Perhaps.. I haven't looked at the source to see if it is chewtoy
> material or just buggy.
>
> > (Aside... myghod Mike, you must spend so much time reading and
> > replying to all this listmail like you do. Not a criticism, just
> > an observation. Makes me wonder how you manage to get anything
> > else done :)
>
> I work from home mostly. Remote administration, programming,
> etc.. Since I'm online most of the time, my email comes in at
> all hours. I take coding breaks to read my email and get
> responses to my own questions, and fire off a few helpful answers
> at the same time. Aside from work-time, I spend a lot of my own
> personal time on open source projects of my own, and participate
> in the lists as a hobby. I enjoy helping others on the lists,
> when I find the time, so it isn't a burden. When I get
> overburdened with work and life's other activities, I disappear
> for a few days, weeks, or months - like my 3 month disappearance
> earlier this year.. I kindof come and go.. ;o)
>
> Work comes first, then comes volunteer time. ;o)
>
> My RSI is a bitch though. ;o)
>
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