Just to put my .02 into this. While I applaud the originator of the bot for his good intentions, I am bothered that a "fellow list recipient" has put in such a tool. As was just demonstrated, a single "mistake" by the person, has the ability to impact the entire list.
I really believe that this kind of thing belongs int eh camp of the list owner, not a list user. I personally do not appreciate getting teh notification I did the other day because of another member on the list. I honestly think it should be disabled, until the person has the direct consent of the list owner to run such a bot. There are clear, and simple instructions printed at the bottom of every e-Mail that goes through this list. The user also gets instructions on how to unsubscribe when they first sign up. While I agree that it's frustrating that there are so many totaly clueless people out there, it's a matter for the list owners to deal with. I don't think that list members should be running such "bots". JMHO. But it's taking "help" a little to far. Thank you for listening Ric On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:50:50PM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 04:54:25PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > Ordinary SPAM/UCE looks exactly like that. Please put in your real > > name and explain a bit more about the bot. Consider setting the > > reply-to header to point to the redhat-list-request address. > Thats an excellent suggestion, thank you. > > > D'oh. I'm not even subscribed to redhat-install-list. If you planned > > We know. you are subbed to the RedHat List. The D'oh isn't necessary. > > > to run that bot on psyche-list and valhalla-list as well, would you > > add URLs for all those lists? How about making the bot send out > > specific instructions for a specific list? > > Actually that is in the works and was planned from the beginning of > the expansion to other RedHat Lists. Its another good idea. > > > Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining that. Another point where your > > concept didn't work, unfortunately. Your bot sent a _private_ mail > > which either makes it into my inbox or gets filtered out into trash, > > but your update announcements and explanations go to the list and > > are buried somewhere beneath hundreds of messages. How am I supposed > > to know all this? I didn't subscribe to any of your services. It is > > The concept works fine and has for over a year. > You're missing the point. You were never supposed to receive the email > at all. An error I made in a procmail script affected this email function > causing everyone who posted to the RH list to get emailed. It looks like > a total of 88 people got hit. > > > either. At least you could have excused in a _personal_ mail to > > those 80 subscribers. THAT would have been an appropriate move. > > I apologized publicly because there discussion about it on the list. > This way everyone who was affected, which included everyone on the list > at that point, would receive the apology and the explanation. > > I hoped that would clear up the situation quickly. > > > And to make it clear, the idea is good, but the message looks like > > SPAM/UCE and the weak explanation is a hell of confusion for someone > That message has been in place and working well for over a year in other > lists and for over 3 weeks in this list (up till yesterday anyway... ). > > In fact it is in place right now. > > > who did just reply to a message with unsubscribe in the subject > > line. Shouldn't be too hard to make it more personal. Also, it > > doesn't explain unsubscription via e-mail at all. > > Trust me - we've tried and the people who need this level of help > can't handle doing it by email. They need immediate visual feedback. > (Trust you, Jeff? You just screwed up. Why should we trust you ? > hmmm - you have a point ... :-) ) > > > -- > Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an > acceptance of the offer at http://users.rcn.com/jkinz/policy.html. > > > > -- > redhat-list mailing list > unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
