On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 02:42:53PM -0400, Drew Weaver wrote: > actually, alot of ISPs including one we resell dont allow you to even make > outgoing smtp connections unless you're going to there servers, and I know > that MOST if not all of the Broadband providers in the US for residential > service clearly state that you are NOT to run daemons of any kind on their > service.
Well a daemon is any background process. If your ISP doesn't allow "daemons" then no Windows or *Nix systems can connect to those ISP's legally. By the way - The term daemon does not appear in any of the TOS I've ever had. Perhaps you have it confused with "server"? "server" being forbidden certainly appears in my TOS, but just being smtp capable, incoming or outgoing does not a server make. Don't confuse the use of certain protocols with running servers. They are not the same thing. > > -Drew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kinz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: AOL Now Bouncing DHCP Addresses, Residential Addresses[May Be > OT] > > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 10:20:55AM -0500, John Nichel wrote: > > > Drew Weaver wrote: > > > > Since you're probably violating your ISPs ToS anyway I guess it doesnt > > > > matter if AOL doesn't accept your mail. > > > > > > > > -Drew > > > > > > Yes and no. I have a business account, and am allowed to run things > > > such as web servers and mail servers. In their business TOS, it says > > > nothing about me running these items on either static or dynamic ip's > > > (my account has one static and 5 dynamic ip's). I use the static for my > > > business website, my mail server is on one of the dynamic ip's, and a > > > gateway set up on one of the other dynamics. Their general TOS does > > > state that dynamic users (regular home users) can not run these items > > > though. So it's kind of a grey area. > > > > > > I'm not saying that AOL is wrong for this, as I'm sure a ton of SPAM > > > comes from people running mail servers inside their own house. > > > > John is quite correct here. AOl and many other large ISP's have > > arbitrarily cut off millions of IP addresses which they have no evidence > > are the source of SPAM simply because some of those IP's are dynamically > > assigned. And some of those are sources of SPAM. > > > > They do this purely for money. It is not a good practice for two basic > > reasons: > > > > 1. Using SMTP protocol from your home computer is NOT a > > violation of your terms of service(TOS). No where in the > > TOS does it say you cannot do your own direct outgoing > > SMTP connections and doing so does not mean you are running > > a server. > > > > 2. By doing this they are punishing large numbers of innocent > > internet users in an attempt to harm the guilty. It is > > analogous to blowing up everyone in an entire city to kill > > a few criminals. > > > > AOL should not harm the innocent to punish the guilty especially when > > there are better, more intelligent ways to keep the SPAM out which does > > not impact non-spammers. > > > > AOL is simply being lazy, and cheap. But, they are, after all, a business. > > They will always opt for the cheapest way to accomplish their goals. > > I can't hate them for that, but I do disagree with the policy. > > > > Someday, when spamming is a capitol offense, some sanity will return. > > :-) > > > > -- > > Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an > > acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. > > Don't forget to change your password often. > > > > > > -- > > redhat-list mailing list > > unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list > > > > > -- > redhat-list mailing list > unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list > -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. Don't forget to change your password often. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
