No, but I suppose one could argue that the Sox could overcome mediocre pitching with a solid line up. Crawford obviously came in way under expectations (while Ellsbury exceeded most.)
Again, I wish we bathed Cliff Lee in money. I would have provided the loofa. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes. That was my issue last year. I didn't see run scoring as the big > problem. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My first grade math tells me the Sox are on pace to let up 2% fewer runs >> this year as compared to last year while scoring 9% more runs. >> >> So was the error in thinking we'd give up far fewer runs this year? Or >> score far more? >> >> Overall, I think it was reasonable to assume Lackey and Beckett would be >> better while Lester and Buccholz would hold steady. Optimistic, maybe, but >> reasonable. (Nothing is reasonable when it comes to Dice-K.) >> >> So at the time I didn't necessarily fault Theo for not making any major >> moves to improve the rotation. >> >> In hindsight, however, I was disappointed to learn he didn't even make a >> significant run at Cliff Lee. Seems to me that if you're just going to spend >> money because you can (see Crawford) than spend it on a stud starter. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Charles Battikha <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> The Lackey that Theo thought he was getting was a ERA 3.01 to 3.75 >>> pitcher. Maybe too much was spent. But he had 5 solid years with the Angles >>> before we signed him. I think the lesson learned is that you don't sign >>> someone who was quoted as saying. "I hate this bleeping place." Referring to >>> Fenway. Of course, Lackey has sucked home and away. But he has sucked >>> tremendously more at home. >>> >>> And yes, Lackey has had the worse complete year of any Red Sox starter in >>> it's history. That is a lot of suckiness. Usually, this level of failure >>> doesn't last a full season. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley wrote: >>> >>> Theo needs a do-over on the 09/10 off-season. That was a $113 million >>> disaster. >>> >>> -- Matt >>> >>> *From:* Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:47 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> >>> And yet Weiland outpitched Lackey. Anyone want to take a look back and >>> find the last full-season Red Sox starting pitcher with a higher than >>> 6.0 ERA? >>> >>> Steve O >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Agreed. Apart from Papelbon, Aceves is their most effective pitcher >>> right >>> > now. He needs to be starting. The Sox were out of that afternoon game >>> in the >>> > third inning yesterday. >>> > >>> > Kyle Weiland :: Bobby Sprowl >>> > >>> > -- Matt >>> > From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:35 AM >>> > Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> > >>> > Unless you're already out of the game. Then he can't help you at all. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Well, the other argument is that in the BP he can help you several >>> times a >>> > week, versus just once every 5 days as a starter.... >>> > >>> > Dan D >>> > Central NJ USA >>> > >>> > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:21 AM >>> > Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> > >>> > That's what Francona keeps saying, but if you're down by six runs in >>> > every game, the bullpen's effect is marginalized quite a bit. >>> > >>> > I believe they said on the radio this morning that the Sox have ONE >>> > quality start in September. That's horrifying. >>> > >>> > Steve O >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> It's a tough choice. The way some of the starters have been, Aceves' >>> role >>> >> out of the bullpen is almost irreplaceable. >>> >> >>> >> Dan D >>> >> Central NJ USA >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ________________________________ >>> >> From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >>> >> To: [email protected] >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:53 AM >>> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> >> >>> >> Dice-K is dominant compared to the LackeyMillerWakefieldWeiland combo >>> >> we've thrown out there in September. I'd consider asking Dice-K to >>> >> throw left-handed if it will get any of those guys off the mound. >>> >> >>> >> Honestly, is there any reason NOT to throw Aceves out there as a >>> >> starter? Most of the games over the last three weeks have been over >>> >> before the bullpen could help out -- and those that weren't were blown >>> >> by Bard. >>> >> >>> >> Steve O >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, you were half-right with the pitching. Glad we kept Beckett and >>> >>> Paps.... And I still think that Matsuzaka was addition by >>> subtraction. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dan D >>> >>> Central NJ USA >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:55 PM >>> >>> Subject: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> >>> >>> >>> This prediction from a year ago is looking pretty good. >>> >>> We did nothing to improve starting pitching and starting pitching is >>> >>> killing >>> >>> us. >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> >>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>> >>> Date: Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:28 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This team, if we kept them next year, would struggle to reach the 91 >>> >>> games >>> >>> I >>> >>> predicted for them this year. >>> >>> The injuries actually had a marginal effect on this team. We mostly >>> lost >>> >>> hitters and still came in 2nd in runs scored. >>> >>> The problem was pitching, and these problems were not due to >>> injuries. >>> >>> If >>> >>> we go into next year with this rotation and bullpen we might, indeed, >>> >>> reach >>> >>> my prediction of 91 games. >>> >>> Here's what we'd have if we kept this year's "dream team". >>> >>> 1. Varitek -- 1 year older >>> >>> 2. Ortiz -- 1 year older >>> >>> 3. Lowell -- 1 year older >>> >>> 4. Wakefield -- 1 year older >>> >>> Then for a rotation we'd have (League average ERA was 4.14) >>> >>> Beckett -- 5.78 ERA >>> >>> Dice-K -- 4.69 ERA >>> >>> Lackey -- 4.40 ERA >>> >>> Closer Papelbon -- 3.90 ERA >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a 100-win team? What does this team have in common with any >>> >>> 100-win >>> >>> teams in the past? >>> >>> Nothing, that's what. >>> >>> As my friend said at the game today, "It's time to pull the bandaid >>> off >>> >>> all >>> >>> at once." >>> >>> This team needs a major house cleaning. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Beaudoin, John < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I want the same team next year. >>> >>> If marginally healthy, then they'll win 99 games. If average healthy >>> >>> then >>> >>> they'll win 102 games or more. >>> >>> >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: [email protected] < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> To: [email protected] <[email protected] >>> > >>> >>> Sent: Sun Oct 03 16:14:25 2010 >>> >>> Subject: Re: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> >>> >>> >>> I wanted to take a swing at Swisher when he dove somewhat into the >>> >>> stands trying to catch the HR however instead watched him lay on the >>> >>> ground in pain while the guys 3 rows back fought over the ball. >>> >>> >>> >>> Great game - I'm not a Lackey fan however if he can pitch like he did >>> >>> today for the most part next year, we have a solid 1,2, and 3 >>> starting >>> >>> pitcher punch already in place. >>> >>> >>> >>> -larry >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> But did you get Lowrie's??!! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Dan D >>> >>>> Central NJ USA >>> >>>> 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