And yet Weiland outpitched Lackey. Anyone want to take a look back and find the last full-season Red Sox starting pitcher with a higher than 6.0 ERA?
Steve O On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> wrote: > Agreed. Apart from Papelbon, Aceves is their most effective pitcher right > now. He needs to be starting. The Sox were out of that afternoon game in the > third inning yesterday. > > Kyle Weiland :: Bobby Sprowl > > -- Matt > From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" > > Unless you're already out of the game. Then he can't help you at all. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, the other argument is that in the BP he can help you several times a > week, versus just once every 5 days as a starter.... > > Dan D > Central NJ USA > > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" > > That's what Francona keeps saying, but if you're down by six runs in > every game, the bullpen's effect is marginalized quite a bit. > > I believe they said on the radio this morning that the Sox have ONE > quality start in September. That's horrifying. > > Steve O > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: >> It's a tough choice. The way some of the starters have been, Aceves' role >> out of the bullpen is almost irreplaceable. >> >> Dan D >> Central NJ USA >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:53 AM >> Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >> Dice-K is dominant compared to the LackeyMillerWakefieldWeiland combo >> we've thrown out there in September. I'd consider asking Dice-K to >> throw left-handed if it will get any of those guys off the mound. >> >> Honestly, is there any reason NOT to throw Aceves out there as a >> starter? Most of the games over the last three weeks have been over >> before the bullpen could help out -- and those that weren't were blown >> by Bard. >> >> Steve O >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Well, you were half-right with the pitching. Glad we kept Beckett and >>> Paps.... And I still think that Matsuzaka was addition by subtraction. >>> >>> Dan D >>> Central NJ USA >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:55 PM >>> Subject: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> >>> This prediction from a year ago is looking pretty good. >>> We did nothing to improve starting pitching and starting pitching is >>> killing >>> us. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>> Date: Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> This team, if we kept them next year, would struggle to reach the 91 >>> games >>> I >>> predicted for them this year. >>> The injuries actually had a marginal effect on this team. We mostly lost >>> hitters and still came in 2nd in runs scored. >>> The problem was pitching, and these problems were not due to injuries. >>> If >>> we go into next year with this rotation and bullpen we might, indeed, >>> reach >>> my prediction of 91 games. >>> Here's what we'd have if we kept this year's "dream team". >>> 1. Varitek -- 1 year older >>> 2. Ortiz -- 1 year older >>> 3. Lowell -- 1 year older >>> 4. Wakefield -- 1 year older >>> Then for a rotation we'd have (League average ERA was 4.14) >>> Beckett -- 5.78 ERA >>> Dice-K -- 4.69 ERA >>> Lackey -- 4.40 ERA >>> Closer Papelbon -- 3.90 ERA >>> >>> This is a 100-win team? What does this team have in common with any >>> 100-win >>> teams in the past? >>> Nothing, that's what. >>> As my friend said at the game today, "It's time to pull the bandaid off >>> all >>> at once." >>> This team needs a major house cleaning. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I want the same team next year. >>> If marginally healthy, then they'll win 99 games. If average healthy >>> then >>> they'll win 102 games or more. >>> >>> John >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sun Oct 03 16:14:25 2010 >>> Subject: Re: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >>> >>> I wanted to take a swing at Swisher when he dove somewhat into the >>> stands trying to catch the HR however instead watched him lay on the >>> ground in pain while the guys 3 rows back fought over the ball. >>> >>> Great game - I'm not a Lackey fan however if he can pitch like he did >>> today for the most part next year, we have a solid 1,2, and 3 starting >>> pitcher punch already in place. >>> >>> -larry >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> But did you get Lowrie's??!! >>>> >>>> Dan D >>>> Central NJ USA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Larry Rupp <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> 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