The thing that does startle me is the lack of pitching depth in the minors. Was Casey Kelley our only worthwhile prospect (other than Doubront?)
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > My first grade math tells me the Sox are on pace to let up 2% fewer runs > this year as compared to last year while scoring 9% more runs. > > So was the error in thinking we'd give up far fewer runs this year? Or > score far more? > > Overall, I think it was reasonable to assume Lackey and Beckett would be > better while Lester and Buccholz would hold steady. Optimistic, maybe, but > reasonable. (Nothing is reasonable when it comes to Dice-K.) > > So at the time I didn't necessarily fault Theo for not making any major > moves to improve the rotation. > > In hindsight, however, I was disappointed to learn he didn't even make a > significant run at Cliff Lee. Seems to me that if you're just going to spend > money because you can (see Crawford) than spend it on a stud starter. > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Charles Battikha <[email protected]>wrote: > >> The Lackey that Theo thought he was getting was a ERA 3.01 to 3.75 >> pitcher. Maybe too much was spent. But he had 5 solid years with the Angles >> before we signed him. I think the lesson learned is that you don't sign >> someone who was quoted as saying. "I hate this bleeping place." Referring to >> Fenway. Of course, Lackey has sucked home and away. But he has sucked >> tremendously more at home. >> >> And yes, Lackey has had the worse complete year of any Red Sox starter in >> it's history. That is a lot of suckiness. Usually, this level of failure >> doesn't last a full season. >> >> >> On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley wrote: >> >> Theo needs a do-over on the 09/10 off-season. That was a $113 million >> disaster. >> >> -- Matt >> >> *From:* Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:47 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >> And yet Weiland outpitched Lackey. Anyone want to take a look back and >> find the last full-season Red Sox starting pitcher with a higher than >> 6.0 ERA? >> >> Steve O >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Agreed. Apart from Papelbon, Aceves is their most effective pitcher >> right >> > now. He needs to be starting. The Sox were out of that afternoon game in >> the >> > third inning yesterday. >> > >> > Kyle Weiland :: Bobby Sprowl >> > >> > -- Matt >> > From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:35 AM >> > Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> > >> > Unless you're already out of the game. Then he can't help you at all. >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > Well, the other argument is that in the BP he can help you several times >> a >> > week, versus just once every 5 days as a starter.... >> > >> > Dan D >> > Central NJ USA >> > >> > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:21 AM >> > Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> > >> > That's what Francona keeps saying, but if you're down by six runs in >> > every game, the bullpen's effect is marginalized quite a bit. >> > >> > I believe they said on the radio this morning that the Sox have ONE >> > quality start in September. That's horrifying. >> > >> > Steve O >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> It's a tough choice. The way some of the starters have been, Aceves' >> role >> >> out of the bullpen is almost irreplaceable. >> >> >> >> Dan D >> >> Central NJ USA >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:53 AM >> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >> >> >> Dice-K is dominant compared to the LackeyMillerWakefieldWeiland combo >> >> we've thrown out there in September. I'd consider asking Dice-K to >> >> throw left-handed if it will get any of those guys off the mound. >> >> >> >> Honestly, is there any reason NOT to throw Aceves out there as a >> >> starter? Most of the games over the last three weeks have been over >> >> before the bullpen could help out -- and those that weren't were blown >> >> by Bard. >> >> >> >> Steve O >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Well, you were half-right with the pitching. Glad we kept Beckett and >> >>> Paps.... And I still think that Matsuzaka was addition by subtraction. >> >>> >> >>> Dan D >> >>> Central NJ USA >> >>> >> >>> ________________________________ >> >>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >> >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:55 PM >> >>> Subject: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >>> >> >>> This prediction from a year ago is looking pretty good. >> >>> We did nothing to improve starting pitching and starting pitching is >> >>> killing >> >>> us. >> >>> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> >>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >> >>> Date: Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:28 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> This team, if we kept them next year, would struggle to reach the 91 >> >>> games >> >>> I >> >>> predicted for them this year. >> >>> The injuries actually had a marginal effect on this team. We mostly >> lost >> >>> hitters and still came in 2nd in runs scored. >> >>> The problem was pitching, and these problems were not due to injuries. >> >>> If >> >>> we go into next year with this rotation and bullpen we might, indeed, >> >>> reach >> >>> my prediction of 91 games. >> >>> Here's what we'd have if we kept this year's "dream team". >> >>> 1. Varitek -- 1 year older >> >>> 2. Ortiz -- 1 year older >> >>> 3. Lowell -- 1 year older >> >>> 4. Wakefield -- 1 year older >> >>> Then for a rotation we'd have (League average ERA was 4.14) >> >>> Beckett -- 5.78 ERA >> >>> Dice-K -- 4.69 ERA >> >>> Lackey -- 4.40 ERA >> >>> Closer Papelbon -- 3.90 ERA >> >>> >> >>> This is a 100-win team? What does this team have in common with any >> >>> 100-win >> >>> teams in the past? >> >>> Nothing, that's what. >> >>> As my friend said at the game today, "It's time to pull the bandaid >> off >> >>> all >> >>> at once." >> >>> This team needs a major house cleaning. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Beaudoin, John < >> [email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I want the same team next year. >> >>> If marginally healthy, then they'll win 99 games. If average healthy >> >>> then >> >>> they'll win 102 games or more. >> >>> >> >>> John >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: [email protected] < >> [email protected]> >> >>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> >>> Sent: Sun Oct 03 16:14:25 2010 >> >>> Subject: Re: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >>> >> >>> I wanted to take a swing at Swisher when he dove somewhat into the >> >>> stands trying to catch the HR however instead watched him lay on the >> >>> ground in pain while the guys 3 rows back fought over the ball. >> >>> >> >>> Great game - I'm not a Lackey fan however if he can pitch like he did >> >>> today for the most part next year, we have a solid 1,2, and 3 starting >> >>> pitcher punch already in place. >> >>> >> >>> -larry >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>> But did you get Lowrie's??!! >> >>>> >> >>>> Dan D >> >>>> Central NJ USA >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> 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