I agree with your ambivalence.

It's just that I felt equally ambivalent about Aviles.

So I don't know what to feel.


On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:

> Didn't say that. I'm just not sure why the sox were so fixated on a guy on
> a path to be fired or at least not renewed by his own team.
>
> Anyway, not worth arguing over.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Why.  They had a contract.  That means nothing?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I would have resented sending Toronto a dozen Dunkin Donuts. Seems wrong.
>>
>>
>> But I'm glad they resolved it quickly.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Ray Daniel Salemi <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Aviles?  There are at least 20 Aviles's out there.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Larry Rupp <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree - Farrell will be good for us however we should NOT have given
>>>> up Aviles for him.  We got yet another Carpenter pitcher in return (can you
>>>> say Theo trade?) - I think someone in FO keeps thinking it's "THE"
>>>> Carpenter rather than just another Carpenter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I honestly don't know how I feel about it. I'm happy we have a
>>>>> manager. I'm happy we have Farrell. I'm not really disappointed about
>>>>> losing Aviles. But I resent having to give him up for a mediocre manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I'm glad it's over.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Ray Daniel Salemi <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well..Aviles was no Scutaro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forsooth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So another year where we dump out starting shortstop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan D
>>>>>>> Central NJ USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* Ray Daniel Salemi <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:41 PM
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: John Farrell Named Red Sox Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huh
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: "Red Sox Ticket Office" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Date: Oct 21, 2012 2:06 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: John Farrell Named Red Sox Manager
>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Click 
>>>>>>> here<http://link.redsox.com/m/1/95601068/b29512-b37917c0-e484-421b-8e52-5b0a0a285206/11/173/de52b46c-f147-4624-a858-6b8ea5a53511>if
>>>>>>>  you are having trouble viewing this message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Season Ticket Holders,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  It is my great pleasure to let you know that John Farrell has
>>>>>>> officially been named the next manager of the Boston Red Sox. We are
>>>>>>> thrilled to welcome John back to the Red Sox family. Please see the 
>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>> below with complete details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  We will host a conference call with John and season ticket holders
>>>>>>> in the coming weeks so John can personally share his vision for leading
>>>>>>> this team. We will provide further information including the date and 
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> for that call as soon as it is confirmed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  We hope you are as excited as we are for the next chapter of Red
>>>>>>> Sox baseball.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Sam Kennedy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Chief Operating Officer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *RED SOX NAME JOHN FARRELL MANAGER*
>>>>>>> *Mike Aviles sent to Toronto; *
>>>>>>> *Red Sox receive right-hander David Carpenter*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BOSTON, MA  --  The Boston Red Sox today announced that they have
>>>>>>> acquired Manager John Farrell from the Toronto Blue Jays and agreed to a
>>>>>>> three-year contract that will run through 2015.  As compensation to the
>>>>>>> Blue Jays, to whom Farrell was under contract through 2013, the Red Sox
>>>>>>> sent shortstop Mike Aviles and received in return right-handed pitcher
>>>>>>> David Carpenter.  The Red Sox sought and received permission from 
>>>>>>> Toronto
>>>>>>> to talk directly to Farrell and made the agreement late last night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Farrell, 50, was the Red Sox’ pitching coach from 2007-10, a period
>>>>>>> in which the staff held opponents to an American League-low .254 batting
>>>>>>> average and led the league in strikeouts (4,771).  Farrell is the 
>>>>>>> seventh
>>>>>>> manager in major league history acquired by one club while under 
>>>>>>> contract
>>>>>>> to another.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “I’m extremely excited to be returning to the Red Sox and to
>>>>>>> Boston,” said Farrell.  “I love this organization.  It’s a great 
>>>>>>> franchise
>>>>>>> in a special city and region, with great fans, and we want nothing more
>>>>>>> than to reward their faith in us.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “We are thrilled to name John Farrell as our new manager,” said
>>>>>>> Executive Vice-President/General Manager Ben Cherington, who made the
>>>>>>> announcement.  “John has been a major league pitcher, front office
>>>>>>> executive, coach, and manager.  His broad set of experiences, and
>>>>>>> exceptional leadership skills, make him the ideal person to lead our 
>>>>>>> team.
>>>>>>> I have known him in various capacities throughout my career, and I hold 
>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>> in the highest regard as a baseball man and as a person.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under Farrell, the Blue Jays finished 81-81 (.500) in 2011 and 73-89
>>>>>>> (.451) in 2012.  Prior to joining the Red Sox in 2007, Farrell spent 
>>>>>>> five
>>>>>>> years as Director of Player Development for the Cleveland Indians
>>>>>>> (November, 2001-November, 2006).  The Indians earned “Organization of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Year” honors in 2003 and 2004 from *USA Today’s Sports Weekly* and
>>>>>>> were named by *Baseball America* as the top farm system in 2003.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “We met some outstanding managerial candidates in this process,”
>>>>>>> said Red Sox President/CEO Larry Lucchino.  “John Farrell brings a 
>>>>>>> unique
>>>>>>> blend of managerial experience, leadership and presence, pitching
>>>>>>> expertise, front office experience, and an established track record with
>>>>>>> many members of our uniformed staff and members of our front office.  He
>>>>>>> will hit the ground running.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Farrell was Boston’s pitching coach, right-hander Clay Buchholz
>>>>>>> and southpaw Jon Lester were All-Stars.  In his first year with the Red
>>>>>>> Sox, the club won the 2007 World Series.  They reached the postseason 
>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>> of his first three seasons in Boston.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compensation to acquire a manager from another club has been
>>>>>>> required four times previously, and 52 years ago, two managers were 
>>>>>>> traded
>>>>>>> for each other.  In September, 2011, Miami acquired Ozzie Guillen and
>>>>>>> right-hander Ricardo Andres from the White Sox and sent right-hander 
>>>>>>> Jhan
>>>>>>> Marinez and infielder Ozzie Martinez.  In October, 2002, Tampa Bay 
>>>>>>> acquired
>>>>>>> Lou Piniella and infielder Antonio Perez from Seattle and sent 
>>>>>>> outfielder
>>>>>>> Randy Winn.  In November, 1976, Pittsburgh acquired Chuck Tanner and 
>>>>>>> cash
>>>>>>> from Oakland and sent catcher Manny Sanguillen.  In November, 1967, the
>>>>>>> Mets acquired Gil Hodges from Washington and sent right-hander Bill 
>>>>>>> Denehy
>>>>>>> and cash.  During the 1960 season, managers Joe Gordon and Jimmy Dykes 
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> swapped by Cleveland and Detroit, respectively.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Farrell’s first year as the Red Sox’ pitching coach, the staff
>>>>>>> led the American League with a 3.87 ERA (618 ER/1,438.2 IP).  Red Sox
>>>>>>> pitchers also led the AL in strikeouts with 1,185 in 2008 and 1,207 in
>>>>>>> 2010.  From 2007-10, hurlers posted the third-best ERA in the league, 
>>>>>>> 4.11
>>>>>>> (2,637 ER/5,778.1 IP).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aviles, 31, played 136 games for the Red Sox in 2012, primarily at
>>>>>>> shortstop (128 games).  He hit .250 with 13 home runs and 60 RBI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carpenter, 27, has struck out 60 in 60 innings over 67 career major
>>>>>>> league games, all in relief, with the Astros (2011-12) and Blue Jays
>>>>>>> (2012).  He is 1-5 with one save and a 5.70 ERA (38 ER) in his big 
>>>>>>> league
>>>>>>> career.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The right-hander appeared in 33 major league games in 2012,
>>>>>>> including 30 with the Astros prior to being sent to the Blue Jays in a
>>>>>>> 10-player trade July 20.  In 2012, he also pitched in 23 minor league 
>>>>>>> games
>>>>>>> for Houston’s Triple-A club in Oklahoma City and Toronto’s Triple-A Las
>>>>>>> Vegas affiliate, posting a 1-1 record with four saves, a 3.08 ERA (9
>>>>>>> ER/26.1 IP), with 25 strikeouts and only seven walks in 26.1 innings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He made his major league debut with the Astros in 2011, and was 1-3
>>>>>>> with a 2.93 ERA (9 ER/27.2 IP) while striking out 29 in 27.2 innings in 
>>>>>>> 34
>>>>>>> outings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Originally a catcher, Carpenter converted to pitching mid-way
>>>>>>> through the 2008 season.  Since that time, he has averaged 9.56 
>>>>>>> strikeouts
>>>>>>> per nine innings pitched (215 K/202.1 IP) while compiling a 12-9 record
>>>>>>> with 53 saves and a 3.02 ERA (68 ER) in 178 career minor league games
>>>>>>> exclusively in relief.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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