-----Original Message----- From: Volokh, Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:20 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Catholic Charities Issue
Hmm; is there any data that would support this assertion? (I take it that the assertion is limited to political violence.) I realize that we're straying a bit from the law of government and religion, but since this factual claim was made in the context of a discussion of a Religion Clauses issue, it seems to me worthwhile to inquire into how accurate this claim is. Eugene -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Newsom Michael Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:16 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Catholic Charities Issue Actually Glendon's point is debatable. In the United States, the predominant pattern of violence is of violence visited by traditionalists on progressives, not the other way around. From: Rick Duncan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:16 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Catholic Charities Issue Jeff Jacoby has an excellent column in today's Boston Globe here. And here is a money quote: Note well: Catholic Charities made no effort to block same-sex couples from adopting. It asked no one to endorse its belief that homosexual adoption is wrong. It wanted only to go on finding loving parents for troubled children, without having to place any of those children in homes it deemed unsuitable. Gay or lesbian couples seeking to adopt would have remained free to do so through any other agency. In at least one Massachusetts diocese, in fact, the standing Catholic Charities policy had been to refer same-sex couples to other adoption agencies. The church's request for a conscience clause should have been unobjectionable, at least to anyone whose pri! ority is rescuing kids from foster care. Those who spurned that request out of hand must believe that adoption is designed primarily for the benefit of adults, not children. The end of Catholic Charities' involvement in adoption may suit the Human Rights Campaign. But it can only hurt the interests of the damaged and vulnerable children for whom Catholic Charities has long been a source of hope. Is this a sign of things to come? In the name of nondiscrimination, will more states force religious organizations to swallow their principles or go out of business? Same-sex adoption is becoming increasingly common, but it is still highly controversial. Millions of Americans would readily agree that gay and lesbian couples can make loving parents, yet insist nevertheless that kids are better off with loving parents of both sexes. That is neither a radical view nor an intolerant one, but if the kneecapping of Catholic Charities is any indication, it may soon be forbidden. ''As much as one may wish to live and let live," Harvard Law professor Mary Ann Glendon wrote in 2004, during the same-sex marriage debate in Massachusetts, ''the experience in other countries reveals that once these arrangements become law, there will be no live-and-let-live policy for those who differ. Gay-marriage proponents use the language of openness, tolerance, and diversity, yet one foreseeable effect of their success will be to usher in an era of intolerance and discrimination . . . Every person and every religion that disagrees will be labeled as bigoted and openly discriminated against. The ax will fall most heavily on religious persons and groups that don't go along. Religious institutions will be hit with lawsuits if they refuse to compromise their principles." The ax fell on Catholic Charities just two years after those words were written. Where will it! have fallen two years hence? Mary Ann's point is well-taken. If A, then B. I wish I had thought of that! Rick Duncan Welpton Professor of Law University of Nebraska College of Law Lincoln, NE 68583-0902 "When the Round Table is broken every man must follow either Galahad or Mordred: middle things are gone." C.S.Lewis, Grand Miracle "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered." --The Prisoner Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. _______________________________________________ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. 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