Eugene's examples are all pretty powerful. They also demonstrate the arguably 
very weak utility of limited public forum doctrine for protecting freedom of 
association. Cases like Widmar and Good News Club are distinguishable because 
the Court has made it clear that limited public forum parameters cannot be 
viewpoint discriminatory. There is no Supreme Court case law (at least to my 
recollection) that prohibits the creation of a limited public forum that 
restricts access in a way that limits associational freedom.

I think that an all purpose, completely open, designated public forum should be 
treated just like a traditional public forum. I would argue that this rule 
would prohibit conditioning access on a group's waiving its associational 
freedom rights. But once we are in the world of limited public forums, the 
issue becomes much more complicated. We have a constitutional framework for 
reviewing viewpoint discriminatory, content discriminatory, and content neutral 
restrictions on access to a limited public forum. But what is the framework for 
reviewing a limited public forum that is defined in a way that burdens 
associational freedom? Is the freedom to determine the voting members of an 
organization more important than the freedom to express one's views on a 
particular subject. Content discriminatory regulations restrcting speech in a 
limited public forum are upheld under very deferential review.

It may very well be that a limited public forum that controls access through 
restrictions on associational freedom is of far less value to expressive groups 
than a more open forum. But state institutions are permitted to create limited 
public forums that are only of marginal use to speakers, just as they are 
permitted not to create a limited public  forum in the first place. What state 
institutions cannot do is to eggregiously distort public debate -- hence the 
prohibition against viewpoint discrimination. The best argument for CLS is that 
restrictions on the right of groups to determine their voting members distort 
debate as opposed to weakening debate.

Alan Brownstein

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From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] 
On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene [vol...@law.ucla.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:53 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: RE: Factual Clarification re CLS

Rick Duncan writes:  "Consider this alternative description: Hastings is 
attempting to create a designated limited public forum for all student groups 
that are willing to waive their right to expressive association by being open 
to include all comers as members, including those who would detract from the 
group's expressive purposes.... Why is this condition on expressive association 
not an unconstitutional condition?"

        I think the answer is that it's just a constitutionally permissible 
decision not to subsidy constitutionally protected activity.  Consider some 
examples:

        A state is attempting to subsidize a wide range of medical care, but 
not for abortions.  If you want an abortion, get it with your own money.  
Constitutional.

        A state is allowing a wide range of medical care in its hospitals, but 
not abortions.  If you want an abortion, get it on your private property.  
Constitutional.

        A state is attempting to subsidize public education, but not private 
education.  If you want private education, get it with your own money.  
Constitutional.

        The federal government is attempting to create a designated public 
forum -- a subsidy administered through 501(c)(3) tax deductions for charitable 
contributions -- for pretty much all nonprofit speakers, but only those who 
don't use tax-exempt money for constitutionally protected electioneering, even 
though this detracts from the group's expressive purpose.  If you want to 
electioneer, do it with unsubsidized funds.  Constitutional.

        A university is attempting to create a designated public forum for all 
student groups that are run by students, but not those who exercise their right 
to expressive association by being run chiefly by outsiders, even when their 
expressive purpose would be better served by being run by outsiders (e.g., if 
the group belongs to an ideological movement that stresses central control by a 
church, or operation by the community or some subset of the community rather 
than by students).  If you want to associate in a way that is run by outsiders, 
do it with your own money and your own property.  Constitutional, right?

        A university is attempting to create a designated public forum for all 
student groups that organize themselves democratically, but not those who 
exercise their right to expressive association by organizing themselves in a 
way in which the group is dominated by one student leader, even when their 
expressive purpose would be better served by being run nondemocratically.  If 
you want to associate in a way that isn't democratic, do it with your own money 
and your own property.  Constitutional, right?

        A university is attempting to create a designated public forum for all 
student groups that decline to discriminate in officers and members based on 
race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, etc., but not those who exercise their 
right to expressive association by so discriminating, even when their 
expressive purpose would be better served by discriminating.  If you want to 
associate in a way that discriminates, do it with your own money and your own 
property.  Why wouldn't this be equally constitutional?

        Eugene
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