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From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-
boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Scarberry, Mark
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:07 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: RE: TRO against Oklahoma "no use of Sharia Law"
The quoted language may mean no more than that parties can't agree to
bound by religious law and then ask a court to determine (in
violation of the
First Am.) what that religious law requires.
Mark Scarberry
Pepperdine
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From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-
boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Rassbach
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:31 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: RE: TRO against Oklahoma "no use of Sharia Law"
Interesting quote re the Oklahoma ban and religious arbitration:
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/10/opinion/la-oe-helfand-oklahoma-
20101110
Rex Duncan, a Republican state representative in Oklahoma and a sponsor
of the amendment, has explained that part of its purpose is to ban religious
forms of arbitration: "Parties would come to the courts and say we want to
be bound by Islamic law and then ask the courts to enforce those
agreements. That is a backdoor way to get Sharia law into courts. There ...
have been some efforts, I believe, to explore bringing that to America, and
it's dangerous."
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From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-
boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene
[vol...@law.ucla.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:09 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: RE: TRO against Oklahoma "no use of Sharia Law"
(1) Yes, there's a 1982 case finding no standing with
regard to that
Arkansas law.
(2) The Oklahoma law is indeed awful, not just because of the
prohibition on the use of Sharia law but chiefly because of the prohibition
on the use of foreign law. See http://volokh.com/2010/03/19/oklahoma-
house-of-representatives-proposes-ban-on-use-of-foreign-law-in-oklahoma-
courts/, where I describe the various contract, tort, and family law
controversies that would be completely screwed up by this amendment. (I
don't think there'll be a problem with enforcing arbitral awards, but there
would be a problem in the other contexts.)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-
> boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Rassbach
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:42 AM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: RE: TRO against Oklahoma "no use of Sharia Law"
>
> One interesting parallel are blasphemy laws still on the books in several
> states but unenforceable under Torcaso v. Watkins. For example, the
> Arkansas Constitution disqualifies atheists from serving in certain public
> capacities:
>
> http://www.becketfund.org/index.php/article/958.html
>
> Presumably these provisions create harms identical to the ones created by
> the OK provision, and suffer from the same standing/ripeness issues that
the
> Oklahoma law does, precisely because they are so clearly unenforceable.
>
> However, one interesting question that arises from the text of the
Oklahoma
> provision (set out below) is that it says that Oklahoma state
courts "shall
not
> consider international or Sharia Law." Would the word "consider" prevent
an
> Oklahoma state court from enforcing an arbitral award conducted in
> accordance with Sharia? What about an arbitration conducted in
> accordance with English law? (Many international agreements provide for
> arbitration under English law.) What about interpreting a contract with a
> choice of law provision specifying English, Canadian, or French law?
>
>
> The Courts provided for in subsection A of this section, when exercising
their
> judicial authority, shall uphold and adhere to the law as provided in the
> United States Constitution, the Oklahoma
> Constitution</wiki/index.php/Oklahoma_Constitution>, the United States
> Code, federal regulations promulgated pursuant thereto, established
> common law, the Oklahoma Statutes and rules promulgated pursuant
> thereto, and if necessary the law of another state of the United States
> provided the law of the other state does not include Sharia Law, in making
> judicial decisions. The courts shall not look to the legal
precepts of other
> nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider
international
or
> Sharia Law. The provisions of this subsection shall apply to all
cases before
> the respective courts including, but not limited to, cases of first
impression.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-
> boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Volokh, Eugene
> [vol...@law.ucla.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:41 PM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: RE: TRO against Oklahoma "no use of Sharia Law"
>
> Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I thought
that Flast was
> limited to taxpayer lawsuits based on the spending of money pursuant to
a
> legislative authorization. See especially Hein, but also Valley
Forge. Does
it
> really stand for the broader proposition that any citizen of a state has
> standing to sue based on the very existence of a statute that endorses or
> disapproves of religion? I would have thought not, but I'd love to hear
what
> others have to say - again, about what standing law currently is, not what
it
> should be.
>
> Eugene
>
> From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-
> boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Jamar
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:32 PM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: Re: TRO against Oklahoma "no use of Sharia Law"
>
> Flast v Cohen.
> State taxpayer standing is different from federal--broader. Crampton v
> Zabriskie
> This law is the epitome of one where broad standing should be allowed
> because of the obvious establishment issues raised and the clear
> discrimination against some law on a religious basis. It is not
merely "in
god
> we trust" on money.
>
> But perhaps I was a bit flippant in my response. It should be
the simplest
> standing case for injury by someone in the state. But, since it
is not taxing
> and spending, it might not be so simple for this court.
>
> It is not a monument case. Nor is it like money cases and so on. It is
> targeting a specific religion for negative treatment. But, as I
noted in my
> prior post, their is a possibility of someone actually having
standing in the
> more traditional sense of particularized individual injury by
application of
> the law, and the court could (to its discredit) allow the state
to enact and
> have on its books such a law unchallenged and unchallengeable for
decades
> until exactly the right case comes along.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Volokh, Eugene wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure whether Prof. Jamar is making a point
about what
> standing law should be, or what it is now. But as to the latter,
as best I
can
> tell, the Court has never held that anyone has standing to challenge a law
> just because the law itself endorses or disapproves of a religion. And
> Newdow v. Levefre (9th Cir. 2010),
> http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=753698042392989497, seems
> to hold that there is no standing in such cases:
>
> Newdow lacks standing to challenge 36 U.S.C. § 302, which merely
recognizes
> "In God We Trust" is the national motto. Unlike §§ 5112(d)(1) and 5114(b)
> [which provide for the placement of the motto on currency], § 302 does
not
> authorize or require the inscription of the motto on any object. Without
§§
> 5112 and 5114, the motto would not appear on coins and currency, and
> Newdow would lack the "unwelcome direct contact" with the motto that
> gives rise to his injury-in-fact. Although Newdow alleges the national
motto
> turns Atheists into political outsiders and inflicts a stigmatic
injury upon
> them, an "abstract stigmatic injury" resulting from such outsider
status is
> insufficient to confer standing.
>
> Other lower court cases recognizing standing to challenge monuments, city
> seals, and the like have likewise all stressed the objectors' "frequent
regular
> contact" with the offending inscriptions and symbols. Or am I missing
> something here?
>
>
> Eugene
>
> From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw-
> boun...@lists.ucla.edu> [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On
> Behalf Of Steven Jamar
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:04 PM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: Re: TRO against Oklahoma "no use of Sharia Law"
>
> Simplest establishment standing case ever. Disfavoring one religion is an
> establishment violation -- that gives anyone standing. Of course the
current
> court could change the rules and restrict standing in this area
as they have
in
> others. Since it is at least theoretically possible that someone
in Oklahoma
> could suffer actual harm from this provision (enforcement of an
> internationally valid Will which is compliant with Hanafi or Shafai or
Wahabi
> or other schools of Islamic jurisprudence, for example), the
court could use
> this to trim establishment claim standing.
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Volokh, Eugene wrote:
>
>
>
> I thought I'd ask list members what they thought about this. Here's my
post
> on the subject, in case it's of interest - I'd love to hear
whether others on
> the list agree.
>
>
> http://volokh.com/2010/11/09/district-court-temporarily-enjoins-
oklahoma-
> no-use-of-shariah-law-in-court-constitutional-amendment
>
>
>
>
> --
> Prof. Steven D. Jamar vox: 202-806-8017
> Associate Director, Institute for Intellectual Property and Social Justice
> http://iipsj.org
> Howard University School of Law fax: 202-806-8567
> http://iipsj.com/SDJ/
>
>
>
> "Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
> citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."
>
> Margaret Meade
>
>
>
>
>
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