I agree with Marty that the Eighth Circuit failed to grapple with the doctrine in key respects. But when he says that "Churches have not been constitutionally eligible to receive government grants -- especially selective grants -- for many decades," I think he might be overstating the extent to which the lower courts have agreed with his interpretation of Mitchell and the other direct aid cases.
An important counterexample is Am. Atheists, Inc. v. City Of Detroit Downtown Dev. Auth., 567 F.3d 278 (6th Cir. 2009), in which the Sixth Circuit unanimously upheld the inclusion of churches in a direct, selective grant program. There, Detroit wanted to improve the appearance of a section of downtown. So it encouraged property owners to renovate their buildings and parking lots, and then reimbursed them for half the cost of the renovations. All told, the City received 189 qualifying applications and approved 123 projects (of which 91 were completed). Nine of the projects were completed by three different churches, and they included things like renovating a church facade and steeple clock, and replacing church signs and covers over stained glass windows. Judge Sutton considered Mitchell and the other direct aid cases at some length, and it seems, if I understand him and our fellow interlocutors correctly, that he goes more with the approach described by Doug and advocated by Eugene than with the approach described by Marty. I.e., he doesn't treat the distinction between direct funding and other forms of aid as dispositive; he doesn't treat Zelman as inapposite; and he distinguishes Tilton and Nyquist. In short, he holds that as long as the aid is distributed to religious and non-religious groups on in an evenhanded way, and does not have the purpose or primary effect of advancing religion, it should be upheld. I assume Marty would argue that the Sixth Circuit has simply gotten Mitchell and the other direct aid cases wrong. But at a minimum, that would suggest that his reading of those cases has not been fully accepted. Alternatively, maybe Marty would argue that the grant program was not truly "selective." But when there's a fairly detailed application process and 35% of qualifying applications get rejected, that seems fairly selective--unless I'm misunderstanding what Marty means by that term. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 23:44:27 -0400 From: Marty Lederman <lederman.ma...@gmail.com> To: Douglas Laycock <dlayc...@virginia.edu> Cc: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: 8th Cir. upholds exclusion of religious schools from playground safety funds Message-ID: <cacavkoc-otpl3fo3m5k_eujbr-m87qn97pphanq1cndecxq...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" "That doesn't mean that many people besides O'Connor think the distinction makes any sense." Well, a whole slew of religious parties, their amici, and Justices, in cases from Witters on down, thought the distinction was of vital constitutional significance. More to the point -- the point I was making -- under governing Supreme Court law the distinction makes all the difference in the world, whatever one thinks the doctrine *ought* to be. A bunch of SCOTUS cases would come out the other way under Thomas's view. Therefore you'd think the parties and the Eighth Circuit judges would at least have bothered to grapple with the doctrine, rather than simply stating, without citation, that "it now seems rather clear" that the rule is the opposite of what the governing precedent says it is. And the fact that this is a selective grant program, in which the state makes discretionary decisions about which applicants get the dollars (what do you think the odds are that the Scientology or Wiccan churches would have been among the lucky recipients?) makes the omission even more striking. Churches have not been constitutionally eligible to receive government grants --especially selective grants--for many decades. Whatever one thinks about how the Court *should *construe the religion clauses, it would certainly be a very significant shift in longstanding doctrine for the Court even to *allow* Missouri to give grants to this church, let alone require it do so. On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Douglas Laycock <dlayc...@virginia.edu> wrote: > I understand that. That doesn't mean that many people besides O'Connor > think the distinction makes any sense. > > The state's exercise of discretion matters, because the state might > discriminate in ways that are hard to detect. Per capita distribution > instead of vouchers does not matter, and so O'Connor's opinion is hard to > take seriously. And I'm guessing that many judges don't pay it much heed > after Zelman. > _______________________________________________ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.