The claim that the license is invalid strikes me as a sham for the reasons 
Marty recites.  To return to the stay application, I think motion faces an 
uphill climb because, in large measure, Ms. Davis has made clear through her 
public statements and her counsel’s papers that her primary goal is to 
frustrate the implementation of Obergefell in her county, and only secondarily 
to secure a KRFRA exemption.  I draw that conclusion from her refusal to seek 
an exemption in the Kentucky court system from the governor’s order, and from 
the gradual expansion of her asserted exemption from one personal to her to one 
that encompasses the office she holds.  So I think one must be quite charitable 
to ascribe to her and her counsel the underlying assumption of good faith.  But 
continuing that assumption, I think her stay application falls short of the 
requisite showings of probability of success, irreparable injury, the public 
interest and the balance of harms.

Contrary to her assertion, the filing of a notice of appeal does not deprive 
the district court of subject matter jurisdiction over preliminary relief.  As 
the first case Ms. Davis cites, N.L.R.B. v. Cincinnati Bronze, Inc., 829 F.2d 
585, 588 (6th Cir. 1987) states, quoting earlier cases, “the rule depriving a 
district court of jurisdiction over matters pending on appeal "is neither a 
creature of statute nor . . . absolute in character."  That recognition 
predates but foreshadows recent SCOTUS decisions that have confined subject 
matter jurisdiction determinations to matters that truly do implicate statutory 
and Article Three subject matter jurisdiction, whether in the context of “zone 
of interest” standing challenges or the fifteen employee coverage rule for 
Title VII.  So the question properly stated by the stay application is not 
whether the district court acted without subject matter jurisdiction to act, 
but rather whether, in issuing the second injunction despite the pending appeal 
of his initial preliminary injunction, he abused his discretion.

Judge Bunning had jurisdiction to adjudicate the Rule 23 motion for class 
certification despite the pending appeal, and he had jurisdiction to enter a 
new preliminary injunction on behalf of the putative class.  Without combing 
through the record to determine whether the representations made in the stay 
application concerning class certification proceedings are accurate, it seems 
safe to say that Judge Bunning wrote inartfully rather than without subject 
matter jurisdiction.  But even if he wrote inartfully, he wrote only to compel 
compliance with a binding Supreme Court decision.   In reviewing his order, the 
court of appeals is likely to recognize that, were it to enter a stay, new 
plaintiffs could be expected to file within a matter of hours, if not days, a 
new lawsuit seeking classwide injunctive relief, move for a TRO and preliminary 
injunction on very short notice, and promptly obtain exactly the same classwide 
relief against Ms. Davis in her official capacity.  Note that her own 
statements and conduct have made class certification under 23(b)(2) inevitable. 
 So the court of appeals may wonder whether procedural errors of the sort Ms. 
Davis asserts should free her from compliance with the fourteenth amendment, 
and therefore whether she has shown the kind of irreparable injury required for 
entry of a stay pending appeal.  Or it may wonder whether it should temporarily 
relinquish jurisdiction to permit modification of either injunction.

In answering those questions, the court of appeals may return to the underlying 
merits of her free exercise and KFRFA claims.  To be again charitable, her free 
exercise claim post Smith is meritless [less charitably, it violates Rule 11(b) 
and 28 U.S.C. 1927], but it is enough to note that it has no merit.  But even 
if it were thought to have merit, it could not serve as a jurisdictional hook 
for her third party claims against the governor or for her attempts to compel 
joinder under Rule 19 to facilitate her assertion of KRFRA claims against state 
officials.  Supplemental jurisdiction, or its antecedents, pendent and 
ancillary jurisdiction, enabled litigants to overcome statutory, not 
constitutional limitations on the judicial power of the United States under 
Article III and the eleventh amendment.  Pennhurst is a constitutional 
limitation on that power; supplemental jurisdiction, now itself a creature of 
statutory law, cannot expand district court power into a region forbidden by 
the constitution.  So Ms. Davis cannot secure a federal court ruling on her 
claims for injunctive relief against state officials.

Even assuming, again charitably, that Ms. Davis can assert KRFRA defensively 
against private litigants seeking to enforce the fourteenth amendment against 
her office, we come to the question of what relief it might afford her.  Recall 
that so far, as Marty has noted, the court has structured relief for plaintiffs 
in a way that frees Ms. Davis from either signing the marriage license or 
having her name appear on the marriage license; instead, deputy clerks simply 
enter the name of Rowan County Clerk’s Office on the form.  So if Ms. Davis has 
a KRFRA claim at this point, it runs to her objection to the on the form of the 
name of the office she hold.  That seems more than one bridge too far, most 
obviously because in official capacity claims, the suit is in substance one 
against the office, not the officeholder, and the office has no rights.  Ms. 
Davis’s election vested her with a title, power and responsibility, but to the 
extent she asserts “l'état, c'est moi,” she is wrong.

Mike

Michael R. Masinter
Professor of Law
Nova Southeastern University
3305 College Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33314
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From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marty Lederman
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 4:34 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>
Cc: Michael Dorf <miked...@gmail.com>; Dellinger, Walter <wdellin...@omm.com>; 
Howard Wasserman <wasse...@fiu.edu>; Samuel Bagenstos <samba...@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: What's happening in the Kim Davis case

The license is valid even if Mason rather than Davis signs and issues it:  As I 
posted earlier, KY law provides that the license must contain “[t]he date and 
place the license is issued, and the signature of the county clerk or deputy 
clerk issuing the license.”  Moreover, KRS § 61.035 states that “[a]ny duty 
enjoined by law . . . upon a ministerial officer, and any act permitted to be 
done by him, may be performed by his lawful deputy.”   What Davis and Kevin 
call "county clerk authority" is no more needed here than in the case where the 
SG recuses from a case and the brief is signed, on behalf of the U.S., by the 
Deputy SG (as John Roberts did in, e.g., Metro Broadcasting).

Indeed, Davis agrees that the license could be valid without her name, since 
that's ostensibly the remedy she's seeking--she insists that RFRA requires the 
Governor to issue a new license form that would omit her name and title.

If Davis had genuinely been interested in making sure the marriages could go 
forward without her "imprimatur," she could have done in the first instance 
what the Deputy has done now--namely, left her name (and even her title!) off 
the licenses issued.  (Kentucky marriage law would not prohibit that.  But even 
if it did, Davis thinks RFRA requires an exemption, and she's the chief state 
official in the office; presumably Davis herself could implement RFRA.)  Or she 
could have brought a state-court RFRA case seeking such a remedy from the 
Governor when she received the standard license form.  Instead, she instructed 
the Deputies to deny licenses altogether, unless and until the legislature 
changes the law.

But of course she didn't do any such thing, presumably because she has a quite 
different objective:  She genuinely and sincerely and passionately believes 
that the Supreme Court got it wrong in Obergefell, and wishes not only to 
distance herself from that decision -- in the same way I wouldn't want to work 
on or to sign a government brief urging the death penalty -- but also to 
register a very vocal and public objection, based upon what she understands to 
be a biblical dictate about marriage.  I think that registering such dissent 
from the Court's judgments is perfectly appropriate--honorable, even--even for 
a public official, as long as she does so in a way (such as by publicly 
announcing that Mason, rather than she, will henceforth be issuing licenses, or 
by resigning) that does not undermine the constitutional rights of the people 
who she was elected to serve.

What I don't find plausible is her argument that her religious exercise is 
substantially burdened if the Clerk's Office, without her involvement, issues 
licenses that read either:  "Issued this 9/_/2015 in the office of Kim Davis, 
Rowan County County Clerk, Morehead, Kentucky by Brian Mason, Deputy Clerk,” or 
"Issued this 9/_/2015 in the office of the Rowan County County Clerk, Morehead, 
Kentucky by Brian Mason, Deputy Clerk.”



On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Walsh, Kevin 
<kwa...@richmond.edu<mailto:kwa...@richmond.edu>> wrote:
If I were a plaintiff and the validity of my marriage depended on the validity 
of my license, I would argue that the deputy clerk issued the license under 
Davis's authority. Otherwise, I would have to point to some other county clerk, 
and there is no other candidate. Now maybe that would be a losing argument. If 
so, then I would end up having to argue that my marriage was valid (or should 
be regarded as valid for whatever purpose I find myself arguing about) even 
though the license was not. I am not an expert in family law, but I understand 
there are some pretty good arguments one could make to that effect. So maybe I 
don't care that I have an invalid license.

I have been assuming, though, that one of the plaintiffs' objectives is to 
receive _valid_ licenses through in-person application at the Rowan County 
Clerk's office. And county clerk authority is needed to make that happen.

Marty is charitable to say an assumption about Davis endeavoring to work out a 
reasonable accommodation is generous; others might call it naive. In any event, 
I'm happy to extend the same assumption to the plaintiffs as well. I don't know 
whether they would have accepted a proposal like the one I have proposed if 
somehow the judge had been able to bring the parties to see it. But I hope so.

At least some people I've expressed this hope to disagree, usually with 
reference to a race analogy. But the particulars matter. One frustrating aspect 
of this episode is that the transition in marriage licensing is not remotely as 
complicated as desegregating schools. There are not that many moving parts and 
what has to happen in the world is really quite simple to accomplish without 
conscripting or coercing those who refuse to cooperate on grounds of 
conscience. Some argue that the undermining of other interests involved in a 
workaround is unacceptable. With respect to the particular proposal I've put on 
the table for how things could work in Kentucky, at least until a more systemic 
fix can be adopted, I'm unpersuaded that there are unacceptable harms to the 
interests of plaintiffs and others similarly situated.

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From: 
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[religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu>] 
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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 10:01 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Cc: Michael Dorf; Dellinger, Walter; Samuel Bagenstos; Howard Wasserman
Subject: Re: What's happening in the Kim Davis case

The licenses currently being issued don't say that the Deputy Clerk is acting 
"on Davis's authority," and no one in their right mind would now understand him 
to be doing so--as the whole world knows, he's acting in direct contradiction 
to her attempted, and very public, direction.

Kevin generously assumes that Davis is actually endeavoring to work out a 
reasonable accommodation that could have avoided this public contretemps and 
guaranteed that these couples would receive licenses in Rowan County, 
consistent with her religious obligations . . . but of course that would defeat 
the whole point of the exercise.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Walsh, Kevin 
<kwa...@richmond.edu<mailto:kwa...@richmond.edu><mailto:kwa...@richmond.edu<mailto:kwa...@richmond.edu>>>
 wrote:
There's a sense and consistency to Davis's position that, understood together 
with the requirements of Kentucky law and the desire to obtain licenses from 
Davis's office, can guide us to some potential terms of peace that require 
neither surrender nor conquest.

Under Kentucky law, every license must contain "an authorization statement of 
the county clerk issuing the license." Ky Rev. Stat. 402.100(1)(a). Davis's 
understanding of the way that this is implemented on the current license is 
through the "you are hereby authorized" language on the form, together with 
signifiers of which county clerk is doing the authorization. This came through 
in her testimony at the July 20 preliminary injunction hearing. (Available at 
http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/files/d29-2-july-20-2015-pi-hearing-transcript-miller-v.-davis.pdf).

BY MR. GANNAM:
Q. Miss Davis, I've handed you an exhibit, which will be Defendant's Exhibit 2. 
Do you recognize this document?
A. I do.
Q. Can you describe what it is?
A. It is the old version of the marriage license that was prescribed by the 
KDLA for us to use for the issuance of marriage applications.
Q. When you say old version, do you mean the version prior to the Supreme Court 
decision?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. So this would be the form of marriage license used by your office up until 
June 26 of this year?
A. Yes.
Q. I wanted to point out for you the very first sentence after the heading that 
says Marriage License, Valid Only in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. It says, To 
any person or religious society qualified to perform marriages per KRS 402.050, 
you are hereby authorized to join together in the state of matrimony, according 
to the laws of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Do you see that language?
A. I do.
Q. And when this license says "you are authorized," who do you understand to be 
authorizing the people on this license to be getting married?
A. That would be me, the clerk.
Q. And is it your understanding that that is dictated by the law of the 
Commonwealth of Kentucky?
A. Yes.
Q. And did you prepare this form yourself?
A. No.
Q. Who prepared or created this form?
A. The Kentucky Department of Library and Archives.
Q. I want to call your attention down to the middle of the form. And just for 
the record, there are areas blacked out of this form that would contain the 
personal information of whoever these applicants are. The original forms would 
not contain those black boxes, correct?
A. Correct.
Q. So in the middle of the form, it says, We hereby certify the above 
information is true to the best of our knowledge. And it has spaces for, on 
this form, the bride and groom to sign. Directly under that, it says, Issued 
this June 16, 2015, and the office of Kim Davis, Rowan County, County Clerk. Do 
you see that language?
A. I do.
Q. Who puts that information on the form, your name and your title as Rowan 
County Clerk?
A. It populates from our software.
Q. Do you have any control over that?
A. No.
Q. So when your software in your office is used to create a marriage license, 
does it automatically put your name and title into every marriage license?
A. It does.
Q. According to your understanding, who does this license say is issuing the 
marriage license?
A. It was issued by my office.
Q. And underneath, in the next line, it says By, and there's a name here, Brian 
Mason, Deputy Clerk. Is that a deputy clerk in your office?
A. It is.
Q. Do deputy clerks have the authority to sign marriage licenses?
A. They have authority to sign it, yes.
Q. Whose authority are they exercising when they sign it?
A. Mine.
Q. Are you aware of any marriage license currently available in the 
Commonwealth of Kentucky in Rowan County that would not require you to 
authorize it?
A. No.
Q. And do you have the discretion to create a different kind of license that 
would not require your authorization for it to be issued?
A. No.
MR. GANNAM: Your Honor, I move to admit Defendant's Exhibit 2 into evidence.
THE COURT: Any objection?
MR. SHARP: No objection. T
HE COURT: Let it be received without objection.
MR. GANNAM: May I approach again, Your Honor?
THE COURT: You may.
BY MR. GANNAM:
Q. Miss Davis, I've shown you a document that's been marked as Defendant's 
Exhibit 3. Are you familiar with this document?
A. I am.
Q. What is this document?
A. It is the marriage license that KDLA has prescribed that we use after the 
Supreme Court decision on June 26th.
Q. And I want to draw your attention to the language at the beginning, To any 
person or religious society qualified to perform marriages per KRS 402.050, you 
are hereby authorized to join together in the state of matrimony, according to 
the laws of the Commonwealth of Kentucky -- I'll stop right there. Is this 
language the same as was on the prior form marriage license?
A. Yes.
Q. And under this new version of the marriage license who, do you understand, 
is authorizing the people named in the license to be getting married?
A. That would be me, the clerk.
Q. In moving down to the middle section of the form, after where the party 
information would be filled in, it says, We hereby certify the above 
information is true to the best of our knowledge, and then there are lines for 
signatures of first party and second party, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, on the prior form, that said bride and groom, correct?
A. That is correct.
Q. Now, below that it says issued this -- there's a blank for the date, and the 
office of. There's a space for a name and then a county. When this form is used 
in your office, what would go in that space for name and county?
A. That would be my name, Rowan County.
Q. And is it your understanding that this signifies that the office would be -- 
the license would be issued under your authority?
A. Yes.
Q. Moving down to the part that reads Marriage Certificate, the third line 
down, it says -- I'm sorry, let me just read that whole section under Marriage 
Certificate. It says, I do certify that blank and blank were united in marriage 
on the -- there's a space for a date and location -- under the authority of the 
above license and in the presence of, please print witnesses' names. Do you see 
that language?
A. I do.
Q. What is your understanding to be the authority of the above license that 
it's referring to?
A. That would be me.
Q. And since the change in the form following the Obergefell decision, are you 
aware of any option in Rowan County to issue a marriage license form that's not 
issued under your authority?
A. No.
Q. Are you aware of any option for a marriage license form that would not show 
your name on it?
A. No.
Q. Apart from the sort of aesthetic differences in this form and the prior form 
marked as Exhibit 2 and the change in designation of parties from bride and 
groom to first party and second party, is there any substantive difference 
between the old form and the new form?
A. No.
MR. GANNAM: Your Honor, I move to admit Defendant's Exhibit 3 into evidence.
THE COURT: Any objection?
MR. SHARP: No objection, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Let it be received without objection.

Judge Bunning specifically asked Davis if she just objected to her name being 
on the license. Davis's answer was that a license issued by a deputy clerk 
without her name would still be a problem as long as the license is issued 
under her authority as county clerk:

THE COURT: All right. You just object to your name being on the license?
THE WITNESS: My name and my county, yeah.
THE COURT: Well, your county, you're elected by the county. But if it said 
Rowan County and listed a deputy clerk -- let's say the deputy clerk that would 
be permitted to, or has agreed that he or she would not be religiously opposed 
to issuing the license, if it just was the deputy clerk's name with Rowan 
County and not your name, would you object to that?
THE WITNESS: It is still my authority as county clerk that issues it through my 
deputy.
THE COURT: All right. Very well. You may step down. Thank you.

Marty says that Davis's understanding of the form and the way in which it is 
issued under authority is "nonsense." I disagree. If you look at the forms, the 
statute, and her testimony together, the understanding set forth in her 
testimony about the authority behind licenses issued out of her office makes 
good sense.

Marty suggests an easy way "for Mason to call Davis's bluff." But under which 
county clerk's authority would a license in the form proposed by Marty be 
issued under? The answer would seem to be either (1) under the Rowan County 
Clerk's authority (and therefore an unacceptable accommodation under the 
criteria Davis has consistently held), or (2) under no county clerk's authority 
(and therefore statutorily invalid -- though the downstream effects of that 
invalidity may end up being small).

In this vein, though, it is worth pressing harder and figuring out whether it 
is possible to have a form issued by Mason in Rowan County that is not 
authorized by Davis. For as long as the form remains unmodified, another 
constraint is that such a license would  have to be on the current form.

I have come to think that Davis was insufficiently imaginative in figuring out 
a way for a license to be issued out of her office without her authorization. 
After all, her office figured out a way to leave her name off of it even though 
the software automatically populates it. What else might Davis have been 
missing when she testified she was unaware of "any option in Rowan County to 
issue a marriage license form that's not issued under [her] authority."

As I've argued elsewhere 
(http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/2015/09/solving-miller-v-davis-licenses-in-rowan-county-explicitly-authorized-by-a-different-county-clerk-.html)
 and in a previous message, a simple workaround may exist that does not require 
modification of the form, that does not require Davis's authorization, and that 
is available from Davis's office. Given the need for county clerk authority, a 
deputy clerk could simply obtain another county clerk's authorization and note 
that on the form. Without any changes to the form, the deputy clerk could then 
simply add in "by the clerk of ____ County" and otherwise fill out the rest of 
the form without mentioning Rowan County other than in noting his or her 
office. Davis has previously stated that such an approach would not 
substantially burden her exercise of religion. Her PI opposition says that 
"Davis is ... not claiming that her religious freedom is substantially burdened 
if the license were issued by someone else in Rowan County (e.g., a deputy 
clerk), so long as that license is not issued under her name or on her 
authority."

Kevin


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