RE: [RemEnKimi] Coptic dictionnary

Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:04:34 -0700



You need to get permission from the publisher to distribute or sell the book. If you are using it for your own personal usage, you need to inform them you have it and they will decide if you can keep it or pay them to keep it. I don't know if you can get permission online. You have to ask the publisher. And on a side note, I have no idea who the publisher is. I would recommend you go to Amazon and do some research and find out who the publisher is.
 
Download is not considered copying. It is considered distribution. Again talk to the publisher to see what their policy is.
 
Regarding your last question. The publisher may consider downloading permissible but in this case, the publisher did not place the dictionary online. It was done by a third party. So obviously the publisher did not want to distribute it. Most publishers, who are willing to distribute online, will usually make you pay to download. Even if they want to distribute it free of charge, they will have you read a "end user agreement". Usually, it says, "By downloading, you agree to the terms of this agreement." And if you actually read distribution agreements, they always say "no part of this document can be copied or distributed without permission."

If you have any more questions, please let me know.
George Ghaly

Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:05:48 +0300
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Dear Mr Ghaly
I have been following the discussion about the dictionary "fair usage", and teh ethics of copying...etc
First, I should start by saying that I have had the dictionary downloaded to my laptop before all that started and I became aware of the ethical implication of that act.
My questions now are:
Who should I take permission from?
Could permission be taken on line?
Should I delete it from my laptop until that happens?
Is downloading considered "copying"?
Is there a limitation on the number of times I refer to it to check on a word before it is considered infringement on the copy-rights?
If I could download a material off the net, doesn't that imply "permission" by default?
I'll greatly appreciate your clearing this up for me.
Regards
Halim
 PS: Every time I try to mail to the group's address my mail is denied access even though I use my registered email?

On 8/23/06, George Ghaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I understand the fair use right. However, while US Copyright law does not specifically state how much work you can copy and use, the courts have only allowed clear examples of fair use right. In this case, you can look up a word on Crum's dictionary. You can even copy a short amount of the dictionary. But you can't copy the entire dictionary for personal use, without permission from the author (or publisher).

This is taken from the US Copyright website http://www.copyrigh t.gov/fls/fl102.html
The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: "quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported."
 

You can see how they stress "a small part of a work".

It continues to say,
When it is impracticable to obtain permission, use of copyrighted material should be avoided unless the doctrine of "fair use" would clearly apply to the situation.
 

In the case of dictionaries, church materials, and other intellectual property, the law states you can't copy the whole thing without asking. Spiritually, the Christian thing to do is buy a book if you want the whole thing. "Give to Ceasar what is Caesar's"
George
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:18:14 +0000



Subject: RE: [RemEnKimi] Coptic dictionnary


George,
Under Copyright law, there is something called fair use. This allows us to use a person's work (ie Crum's dictionary) without paying as long as it is for non-commercial purpose. Of course, if you are a commercial user then you must pay USD135 because you are profiting from it.
I hope this helps clarify.
Mark.

 
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:33:31 -0400

I don't think you should redistribute it at all. If people want Crum's dictionary, they can now get on Amazon for $135. It has a new copyright from Nov 2005. Regardless, of how we feel about copying (either hard or soft), it shouldn't be done. The website is http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159752333X/sr=1-1/qid=1155590547/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-5778311-9755354?ie=UTF8&s=books
 
George
 
 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com [mailto: RemEnKimi@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Monica Hanna
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:07 AM
To: 'saher sadek'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Subject: RE: [RemEnKimi] Coptic dictionnary
 
Dear Remenkimis,
I have received several emails for the Crum, however, I cannot send
it over an email, because the maximum attachment per yahoo or gmail is 10
MB.
I think the best solution is to contact me over MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED],
using the new web messenger sharing folders. There I will upload it and
leave it for several days until everyone can have it.

For copyrights, I think it is not valid that we redistribute it over a
website such as St-Takla...
I am distributing it, because I consider Remenkimi a scientific community
for studying Coptic Language.

I am usually online, so please feel free to contact me over msn for the
file.

Maranatha,

Monica Hanna

-----Original Message-----
From: saher sadek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [RemEnKimi] Coptic dictionnary

Dear Monica
Thank you for offering us Crum. I am assuming that you are in AUC. I'll be
in Cairo in November God willing and if you dont mind will take it on a
flash drive or CD, if that's OK?

I dont know of a way to put it on a website and make it available to the
wide readership, but try to communicate with the website of
(http://st-takla.org) in Missisauga, Canada or similar websites.

Thank you again.
Saher

>From: "Monica Hanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: RemEnKimi@yahoogroups.com
>To: < RemEnKimi@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [RemEnKimi] Coptic dictionnary
>Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:00:26 +0300
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>Dear all,
> I have a soft copy of the Crum...and it is about 178 MB...so I don't
>know where I can upload it so that anyone can make use of it.
>Monica
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: RemEnKimi@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RemEnKimi@yahoogroups.com] On
>Behalf
>Of deacon_ehab
>Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:03 PM
>To: RemEnKimi@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [RemEnKimi] Coptic dictionnary
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>Hello dear all
>im happy to be the newest member in your group
>i live in egypt
>i still learn the coptic language i still cannot understand any of
>your 100% coptic emails
>i think all what i should need as a start is an arabic-coptic or
>english coptic dictionnary that is comprehensive and not the online
>coptic-english one as it has alot of mistakes as per my experience
>with it
>also i would be happy if some one guide me to improve my skill so i
>become as good as you in the egyptian language
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