I own several sets of Wacom 641's, so I'll correct Eric's figures.  The 
Wacom 641 is a 4 cavity BpBr duplexer using 8 inch cans.

Eric Lemmon wrote:

>A 2m repeater on 147.090/147.690, with a 50 watt transmitter and a 0.35 uV 
>receiver generally requires about 88 dB of isolation for no desense.  The 
>WP-641 duplexer is rated at 85 dB,
>

While the WP-641 is rated at 85 dB, that spec is at the highband 
literature standard of 500 kiloHertz separation, not 600 kc as 
referenced above, when used on a 2 meter repeater.

>but most can manage only 80-83 dB.
>

Incorrect,  Wacom specified the WP-641 at 90 dB isolation at 600 kc, but 
they will actually manage 93 dB with careful tuning. 
93 dB will allow a 100 watt 2 meter repeater to properly work using a 
.35 uV (-116 dBm) receiver.  A *good* repeater like a Micor or Mastr II 
(read less than typical transmitter side band noise) will allow a 100 
watt repeater operate properly with a factory preamp (-125 dBm) 
receiver.  Granted, this is its limit, but that isn't too bad considering.

A Tube Type amplifier (GE 4EF5A1) or PLL exciter and solid state PA will 
allow about 250 watts to be duplexed using the Wacom WP-641.

These specifications can be backed up from the factory literature 
available here:
http://www.repeater-builder.com/pdf/wp641.pdf

Maybe Eric was thinking of the WP-639 duplexer that uses 4, 5 inch 
cans?  His figures would be much closer....

Kevin Custer






 
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