I am Getting only 83 db Isolation usning My 641's..
funny thing. I cannot get it to work with my MastrII repeater. But it 
works great with the Spectrum..

Kevin Custer wrote:

>I own several sets of Wacom 641's, so I'll correct Eric's figures.  The 
>Wacom 641 is a 4 cavity BpBr duplexer using 8 inch cans.
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>>A 2m repeater on 147.090/147.690, with a 50 watt transmitter and a 0.35 uV 
>>receiver generally requires about 88 dB of isolation for no desense.  The 
>>WP-641 duplexer is rated at 85 dB,
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>While the WP-641 is rated at 85 dB, that spec is at the highband 
>literature standard of 500 kiloHertz separation, not 600 kc as 
>referenced above, when used on a 2 meter repeater.
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>>but most can manage only 80-83 dB.
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>Incorrect,  Wacom specified the WP-641 at 90 dB isolation at 600 kc, but 
>they will actually manage 93 dB with careful tuning. 
>93 dB will allow a 100 watt 2 meter repeater to properly work using a 
>.35 uV (-116 dBm) receiver.  A *good* repeater like a Micor or Mastr II 
>(read less than typical transmitter side band noise) will allow a 100 
>watt repeater operate properly with a factory preamp (-125 dBm) 
>receiver.  Granted, this is its limit, but that isn't too bad considering.
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>A Tube Type amplifier (GE 4EF5A1) or PLL exciter and solid state PA will 
>allow about 250 watts to be duplexed using the Wacom WP-641.
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>These specifications can be backed up from the factory literature 
>available here:
>http://www.repeater-builder.com/pdf/wp641.pdf
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>Maybe Eric was thinking of the WP-639 duplexer that uses 4, 5 inch 
>cans?  His figures would be much closer....
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>Kevin Custer
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