Hmmm, IGNORE IGNORANCE AND IT WILL GO AWAY!.    It's like a Salary, everyone get's paid the same, some work harder than others, but in the end, it's the Salary that we are after.  SO who cares if I work harder than the guy next to me, it's what I agreed upon. 
 
So if I understand here, just because they took out the tubes section of the GROL exam, does that mean the newer Techs are no good.  Things change.  Ask them if they would prefer to drive the old car that got 10 miles to the gallon, bet not.
 
Oh Well.  Get that license anyways and have fun.  It's HAM RADIO!


Coy Hilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have a question for you Nate, Why is that when a OLD Extra
mentions that they passed the 20 WPM exam that everyone who hasn't,
passed it jumps on them like they are child molesters?

As long as a person passes what ever exam required at the time, they
are okay in my book for what ever class license that they have. I
just don't like people making remarks about people who have acheaved
something when they haven't.

Elitist? No! Just proud of our acheavments. I proved to MYSELF that
I can do what ever I set my mind to. After all putting the old brain
to a project from time to time won't hurt anyone. I have done a lot
of things in my life just for the experiance of it.

I haven't been on HF except for once a year for five or six years.
I own several repeaters VHF and UHF and support Echolink on them. I
enjoy the folks who I have met on Echolink Tech or Extra doesn't
matter to me I just like to talk and do a bit of rag chewing.

73 to all
AC0Y


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> jrinnebraska wrote:
>
> > One of the VE's commented that she was to be congratulated for
> > achieving the "Extra-Lite" class license, since she hadn't
gotten the
> > 20wpm.
>
> Ahh... I'm sorry, I just gotta get this out... my story of my run
in
> with an elitist idiot.
>
> (Side-note: I've had run ins with elitists who deserved to act
that way
> -- they were intelligent beyond their years and knew how to try to
keep
> their boredom with us "normal" people in check... and I understood
them
> to some extent... this story isn't about one of those people.
It's
> about a person with a really bad attitude.)
>
> -----
>
> There's a VE group that tests 1 BLOCK from my house at a public
library.
>
> One day I figured I'd send them an e-mail and offer to help out if
they
> ever needed it. I could literally walk down the hill and be there
in 5
> minutes, if I stopped to talk to the neighbors. It's that close.
>
> I logically thought that hey, they might need another qualified
Extra
> Class to help out from time to time... why not let them know I
live
> nearby? Maybe I'd even make it my Saturday morning activity...
walk to
> the library, give tests... why not?
>
> The head of the group sent back an e-mail that still curls my toes
to
> this day -- it started with "Hi there, I see from your call sign
that
> you must be a REAL Extra."
>
> And it got worse from there.
>
> Additionally, in his e-mail he pointed out that he needed someone
to "go
> stand in line to get the room every month" for the local library
> authority, to reserve the room, and...
>
> He also pointed out that they also give commercial radio tests and
if I
> wasn't interested in learning enough to pass and give those tests,
I
> wasn't needed.
>
> Then he continued on saying he was short of volunteers. Gee, I
wonder why?
>
> Well, I shared with him three things...
>
> For the record I'm a low-code Extra and I really don't give a damn
who
> cares.
>
> Two, anyone who starts a conversation with anyone they've never
met like
> that -- is a complete and utter fool and doesn't deserve my time --
and
> isn't helping the hobby any, other than perhaps by licensing new
people
> with better attitudes.
>
> Three, I'm not in the slightest way interested in giving or
getting any
> commercial licensing. I'm a hobbyist, trying to volunteer within
my hobby.
>
> -----
>
> This is a current and still operating ARRL VE Team. They make the
ARRL
> VE organization look bad, regularly, I'm sure. I told him so, and
good
> day.
>
> I'll spend my time running a ham club, working on the repeaters,
> volunteering for anything needed with the frequency coordination
group,
> running servers for IRLP, chatting on every radio I have from DC
to
> Daylight, a little VHF contesting and 40M SSB once in a while...
>
> And generally staying the HELL away from his attitude and his VE
team.
>
> > My feeling is each to his/her own--whatever mode you wish to use
is
> > fine, as long as you are licensed for it. But comments like the
above
> > and commonly are made by the hard core "elite" is just another
of many
> > reasons why this hobby continues to die a slow, lingering death,
due
> > to a lack of new blood.
>
> Yep. Damn right.
>
> Sorry I wasn't just on the soapbox, you got me to jump up onto the
> ledge. Climbing down now...
>
> (Just the mention of the words "VE Team" around me in person sets
me
> off, too. Sorry.)
>
> Nate WY0X
>









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