Where is our moderatoer -- can't we stop this thread -- ??? How did he get here anyway ???
Rick On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Oliver <[email protected]> wrote: > We do not live in a free country anymore do we? > > tom > > > [Original Message] > > From: Nate Duehr <[email protected] <nate%40natetech.com>> > > To: <[email protected]<Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Cc: <[email protected] <steve%40airspeedonline.com>> > > Date: 2/27/2009 1:06:07 AM > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: [OT] Urgent request - probably off-topic > but please read... > > > > Folks, I am not a spammer by trade or by choice in normal > > circumstances, but I BEG of you to please read this. > > > > If you are even a SMALL enthusiast of Aviation, Aerospace or anything > > related to breaking the surly bonds of earth and reaching skyward, > > PLEASE take a moment, I beg of you. > > > > To my friends and members of: > > > > Boulder, CO Linux Users Group > > Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts > > Rocky Mountain VHF+ Amateur Radio Group > > Colorado D-STAR Association > > Grand Mesa Contesters of Colorado > > Amateur Radio Satellite Corporation and Mailing List > > Repeater-Builder Mailing List > > MIT PIC Microcontroller Mailing List > > Yaesu FT-857 Mailing List > > VHF Contesting Remailer Mailing List > > The Internet Radio Radio Linking Project > > The D-STAR Digital List > > > > And other friends and acquaintances who will receive this message > > privately... and anyone you care to forward it to... > > > > Tonight on my way home I fired up my iPod to listen to a podcast by > > well-known and very well-spoken Steven "Force" Tupper, an aviation > > enthusiast from Michigan. What I heard chilled my heart to the bone. > > > > The TSA under the auspices of "Homeland Security" has floated a > > proposal to restrict and in my opinion, DESTROY numerous legendary > > aircraft, by limiting their use so heavily that you will never see > > them in the skies over America again. While this may sound > > "alarmist", please trust me, it's not. > > > > You all know me, and know that I can write well, expressing my > > concerns with politics, living, and even the banal things of life in > > words, fairly well -- but I can not possibly top the writing of Mr. > > Tupper. > > > > Even more eloquent is his VOICE in his podcast, where he perfectly > > expresses the frustration, and sheer TERROR that the TSA itself has > > brought down on the United State's Aviation community with the > > proposal they've recently released, inappropriately entitled, the > > "Large Aircraft Security Program", or LASP. > > > > For the best and most intelligent commentary I've heard on the topic > > to date -- PLEASE ... LISTEN to his podcast at: > > > > <http://media.libsyn.com/media/airspeed/AirspeedLASP.mp3> > > > > You really must just hear... his voice. I do hope his server can > > handle an onslaught -- if it can't, wait, and listen later. > > > > (I fully intend to help him with the costs associated with > > distributing his podcast if he needs it this month, it's just that > > important. Steve, please let me know if you need assistance. I have > > worked in data centers and web-based businesses, and I understand that > > publishing these things online to large numbers of people, is NOT free.) > > > > It's just over 30 minutes in length, and he NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT -- even > > if you are NOT a pilot. He gives instructions in the podcast. > > > > If you honestly do NOT have time to listen, at least READ and RESPOND > > to his letter in response to the TSA's Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. > > He needs your input by TOMORROW. The entire text of his podcast is > > also available at the link below, if you read faster than you listen > > -- so to speak. > > > > > < > http://airspeedonline.blogspot.com/2009/02/large-aircraft-security-program- > capt.html > > > > > > > If this non-legislative rule change comes to pass, you and your family > > may never SEE many historical aircraft or have an opportunity to > > purchase a RIDE in any classic "warbird" aircraft in the skies over > > America ever again. The rule is BROAD and affects modern aircraft > > also, but the aircraft we will miss the most, are the ones of our > > history that tell our story as a country. > > > > To NOT take action and RESPOND means that you've let a small group of > > tireless aviation historians, restoration specialists, mechanics, > > pilots, and everyone who's ever watched an airshow with aircraft from > > the classic Warbird fleet down. WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT. > > > > PLEASE read or listen. Mr. Tupper explains it far better than I > > possibly can. The TSA's proposal adds NO security to our nation > > whatsoever. It's simply government run amok. > > > > Here's a list from Mr. Tupper's website, of aircraft that I personally > > believe you will RARELY see in the skies of America again, if the > > TSA's "LASP" passes into being without even so much as a single > > legislator overseeing it, and little to no due-process available to > > anyone who violates it. > > > > Aircraft and Max Takeoff Weight (Varies within Type) > > Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress - 65,500 > > Chance Vought F4U Corsair - 14,449 > > Consolidated B-24 Liberator - 65,000 > > Curtiss C-46 Commando - 48,000 > > Curtiss SB2C Helldiver - 16,800 > > Douglas A-26 Invader - 35,000 > > Douglas DC-3/C-47 Skytrain/Dakota - 31,000 > > Douglas B-23 Dragon - 32,400 > > Fairchild C-119 Flying Boxcar - 64,000 > > Fairchild C-82 Packet - 54,000 > > Ford Tri-Motor - 13,500 > > Grumman AF-2S Guardian - 25,500 > > Grumman Avenger - 17,893 > > Grumman F6F Hellcat - 15,415 > > Grumman F8F Bearcat - 12,947 > > Grumman HU-16 Albatross - 33,000 > > Grumman G-73 Mallard - 12,750 > > Junkers Ju 52 - 24,200 > > Lockheed C-60 Hudson - 18,500 > > Lockheed L-18 Lodestar - 17,500 > > Lockheed PV-2 Harpoon - 31,077 > > Lockheed T-33 - 15,100 > > North American B-25 Mitchell - 41,800 > > North American P-82 Twin Mustang - 25,591 > > PBY-6A Catalina - 64,450 > > Republic P-47 Thunderbolt - 17,500 > > > > You may not be a pilot, you may not even care about ANY aircraft -- > > but if you care about the pilots who fly them, the mechanics who > > wrench on them, the crowds at hundreds of airshows across the country > > who see them, and the thousands of thousands who lived their lives > > building an American legacy in Aviation -- one of our best legacies > > ever -- please follow Mr. Tupper's request, and add your name to the > > list of people who AGREE with him in his response to the NPRM sent out > > by the TSA. > > > > I, like you, am a busy person -- I had other things to do tonight. I > > would much have preferred an enjoyable evening pursuing other things. > > Hell, I would rather have just forwarded you all a few jokes or stayed > > "on-topic" on our favorite mailing lists, but I can not sit by idle > > and watch this come to pass. > > > > Mr. Tupper needs your support no later than mid-day tomorrow, please > > listen, read and RESPOND. > > > > Thank you for your time, and I apologize if this is FAR off-topic for > > some of the mailing lists you all know me from. Some lists, it's more > > on-topic than others. This is so aggregious, so saddening, so > > frustrating, that I just HAD to share. Like Mr. Tupper -- I'm trying > > hard to keep this message "PG Rated". VERY hard. > > > > I just can't think of any more caring, thoughtful people in all of the > > other hobbies and passions of my life to share this critical > > information with, and to BEG for your support of Mr. Tupper's letter > > in response to the TSA. Mr. Tupper also points out that the rule > > isn't far from encompassing other iconic aircraft, and says that if > > the TSA enacts this rule and LOWERS the weight limitations low enough > > to encompass such iconic aircraft as the North American P-51 > > "Mustang", then... as he so eloquently puts it: > > > > "Be very careful. You might get away with decimating other grand dames > > of the skies, but every redneck, suit, line worker, banker, > > lumberjack, lawyer, cop, fireman, landscaper, fast-food cashier, and > > child able to stand recognizes the mighty P-51 Mustang. Not that > > aviation would fail to miss the other aircraft that the TSA would so > > cavalierly tear from the sky, but at least we have the P-51 Mustang > > still guarding the 12,100-pound boundary." > > > > Thank you deeply from the bottom of my heart if you take the time to > > listen or read, and especially if you will send your full name as a > > U.S. Citizen to Mr. Tupper with your comments. > > > > Aviation is one of my deepest passions, and I can't imagine that even > > the most disinterested person in Aviation would let these great ships > > of our past be virtually banned from our skies in a single powerful > > and misguided attempt at "security" over liberty, in this great country. > > > > Enjoy the rest of your evening in peace, please help, and thank you > > again. > > > > -- > > Nathan Duehr, [email protected] <nate%40natetech.com> > > > > Private Pilot, Single-Engine Land (since 1991) > > Aircraft Owners and Pilot's Association Member (since 1992) > > Amateur Radio Extra-Class Operator (WY0X - since 1991) > > Current President, Colorado Repeater Association > > Former Secretary, Colorado Council of Amateur Radio Clubs > > Former Member, USAF Auxiliary - Civil Air Patrol > > Linux, Electronics, and RF enthusiast ... > > ... Or however else you know me. > > -- > > Nate Duehr > > [email protected] <nate%40natetech.com> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
