On 17. May 2025, at 03:50, Paul Kyzivat 
<[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> So you are still saying that the RFCs that use ABNF normatively would have 
> been better if they had not?

I have a little demonstration, not for ABNF but for the related data definition 
language CDDL.

Section 6.2.2 of RFC 7071 in conjunction with Section 3.1 contains a formalized 
English language description of a JSON data structure.

[1]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7071#section-6.2.2
[2]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7071#section-3.1

In CDDL, this fits on a slide, see the middle of page 61 of RFC 8610 [3].

[3]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8610#page-61

There is no contest.

(I briefly considered writing a converter from CDDL to the formalized English 
language of RFC 7071, but, really, there was no point.)

Grüße, Carsten

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