Dear Peter,

   the most correct constraint would be to fix a sum of coordinates
   of all atoms along polar axis, but not only of the first two.
   It gives the best estimation of the standard uncertainties.

Yaroslav Filinchuk



PZ> Bob,
PZ> Thank you for the clarification. I never had doubts that GSAS handles fixed origin 
issue properly but also never understand how it
PZ> is done. This way has one big advantage over user fixed origin -- it yields 
standard uncertainties for all atoms and therefore for
PZ> all distances, etc.
PZ> Peter Zavalij


PZ> -----Original Message-----
PZ> From: Von Dreele, Robert B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PZ> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:17 AM
PZ> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


PZ> Dear Stephen (& others),
PZ> I know there have been a number of replies to this since P2/n does have an 
inversion center which is positioned at the unit cell
PZ> origin. However, if the space group is Pn (or P2) then the location of the origin 
is arbitrary on one or more axes. GSAS does
PZ> "automatically" handle this by forcing the first and second atoms to have the 
opposite shifts for each of the arbitrary axes. So in
PZ> Pn the shifts for atom #1 will be sx,sy,sz and for atom #2 they will be 
-sx,sy',-sz, i.e. the sx & sz shifts will be opposite but
PZ> identical for these two atoms while each will have it's own sy. Beware, different 
damping applied to these atoms will make it drift
PZ> as the applied shifts won't be equal & opposite. If you do not want this to happen 
then put in your own "hold" on the appropriate
PZ> coordinates for one atom or else put in your own constraint.
PZ> Bob Von Dreele

PZ> ________________________________

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PZ> Sent: Wed 3/31/2004 12:02 AM
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PZ> Dear Rietvelders,

PZ> I used GSAS to refine my structure in P2/n, however the program automatically
PZ> fixed the the XYZ positions of the first atom during refinement. To my
PZ> surprise, this atom is not seen in the "fixed atom list" in the atom parameters
PZ> menu of GSAS.

PZ> Please advise and many thanks,

PZ> stephen

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