Hi all,

The plot was generated for inclusion in a paper I wrote originally for the 
yet-to-be-published Volume H of the International Tables for Crystallography.  
Due yet another delay in the publication of Vol H, it is due to be published in 
the Journal of Research at NIST very shortly (it may go into Vol H as well 
sometime next year).  Once this is done it will be available online for 
consumption.  It is in the final stages of review; if you would like a 
preprint, send me an email.

Why don't you put these plots on your sales site: 
https://www-s.nist.gov/srmors/viewTableH.cfm?tableid=149

The SRM people would never do this as they would have to explain the plot in a 
technical manner to inquiring customers.

Regards,

Jim


James P. Cline
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From: alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alan Hewat
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 10:50 AM
To: David Elbert
Cc: Cline, James Dr.; Fabrizio Guzzetta; Young, Lindsay Kay; rietveld_l@ill.fr
Subject: Re: Obtaining a silicon standard wafer

Thanks for pointing that out David. I should have checked that my reply did not 
also include Jim's illustration, which was actually not an "attachment" but 
part of an HTML email. I guess that is why it was not filtered out.

It is rather amusing and a good joke on me. As penance I will re-instate Jim, 
but I still think he should put such useful illustrations on his NIST product 
page and just link to them. As it is, the essential information is lost to the 
Rietveld archive, which doesn't reproduce anything more than text.

Regards, Alan.

On 14 July 2015 at 16:40, David Elbert <elb...@jhu.edu<mailto:elb...@jhu.edu>> 
wrote:
Hi Alan-

Just a quick suggestion.  You might want to check your mail client behavior.  
Your reply telling Jim he is banned for sending an attachment contained the 
same attachment.

I believe many clients default to include attachments when mails are forwarded 
or redirected, but strip the attachment when a user chooses "reply.”  Perhaps 
your email system doesn’t do that or needs to be configured to do that?

(I’m sure several Rietveld List users will find the humor in this and wonder if 
you are now banned, but I think things got touchy enough a few weeks ago and so 
hope we can avoid too much back-and-forth about that.  After all, it can be 
very hard in an email to tell the subtleties of when someone is joking, poking 
fun, being puckish, reproachful, chiding, scolding, rebuking… and all with 
differences depending on language and culture.)

Regards-
David

David Elbert
Earth and Planetary Sciences
Olin Hall
Johns Hopkins University
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Baltimore, MD 21218

(410) 516-5049

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On Jul 14, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Alan Hewat 
<alan.he...@neutronoptics.com<mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>> wrote:

Sorry Jim. Even if your attachment is tiny, if I make exceptions it's unfair to 
those who have been banned for the same thing. It's only a week, and nothing 
personal.

Why don't you put these plots on your sales site: 
https://www-s.nist.gov/srmors/viewTableH.cfm?tableid=149

Alan.

On 14 July 2015 at 12:53, Cline, James Dr. 
<james.cl...@nist.gov<mailto:james.cl...@nist.gov>> wrote:
I hope I don’t get shot for this, only 64 kb:

FWHM values of various SRMs:
Regards,

Jim


James P. Cline
Materials Measurement Science Division
National Institute of Standards and Technology
100 Bureau Dr. stop 8520 [ B113 / Bldg 217 ]
Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8523    USA
jcl...@nist.gov<mailto:jcl...@nist.gov>
(301) 975 5793
FAX (301) 975 5334

From: Fabrizio Guzzetta 
[mailto:fabrizio.guzze...@gmail.com<mailto:fabrizio.guzze...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 3:24 AM
To: Cline, James Dr.
Cc: Young, Lindsay Kay; rietveld_l@ill.fr<mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>
Subject: Re: Obtaining a silicon standard wafer

Thanks Jim for the useful info. I was not aware of this kind of silicon 
standard until now. But can't be polycrystallinity of Silicon a drawback to use 
it as standard? Or is there a way to "purify" a single phase suitable to use as 
standard? I have always found more useful having LaB6 or corundum (whenever 
LaB6 is expensive to find) to use it as standard to compare instrumental peak 
broadening. In some of the Rietveld software I use or I know, also yttria is 
used to determine peak broadening. Which criteria do you use when choosing a 
suitable pxrd standard to compare your unknown? Why?

Thanks for the enlightening discussion.

Fabrizio Guzzetta
Ph.D. student, Dept. Quimica Inorganica y Organica, UJI
Castellon de la Plana
Spain

2015-07-13 19:56 GMT+02:00 Cline, James Dr. 
<james.cl...@nist.gov<mailto:james.cl...@nist.gov>>:
Lindsay,

I’ve seen pressed discs of silicon powder that were supplied with older Philips 
diffractometers, and I understand that PANalytical will presently supply them 
with their new machines.  NIST offers no such standard of silicon in a disc 
format.  But I can suggest that you consider SRM 640e which is supplied as 
powder.  One can mount a specimen of it carefully to obtain high density and a 
flat specimen surface, and then infiltrate the powder bed with silicone based 
liquid resin such as Vacseal.  See:

http://www.2spi.com/catalog/vac/vacleak.shtml

The surface of the compact will darken to a uniform color when the infiltration 
is complete.  This will result in a stable compact with the diffraction 
properties of SRM 640e.

Regards,

Jim


James P. Cline
Materials Measurement Science Division
National Institute of Standards and Technology
100 Bureau Dr. stop 8520 [ B113 / Bldg 217 ]
Gaithersburg, MD 20899-8523    USA
jcl...@nist.gov<mailto:jcl...@nist.gov>
(301) 975 5793
FAX (301) 975 5334

From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr<mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr> 
[mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr<mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr>] On Behalf 
Of Young, Lindsay Kay
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 1:28 PM
To: rietveld_l@ill.fr<mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>
Subject: Obtaining a silicon standard wafer


Hello Rietvelders -



This is not exactly a data question, but I am sure someone here can help. I am 
looking into purchasing a silicon powder standard wafer for PXRD instrument 
alignment. However, I am not sure where to get one or how much I might expect 
one to cost. My questions to all of you are:



- Do you know where I could purchase this type of standard?

- How much would you expect to pay for one?

- I have been told Gem Dugout makes these, but they may not be around any more. 
Does anyone know what happened to them?



Thank you very much for your help, and I hope you all have a great weekend!



- Lindsay Young

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