I am an interested reader of this thread, but have no direct knowledge of any of the history. I will add, however, a small point about Alan’s last note suggesting we could go back to calling the process “Profile Refinement” and dodge the personal attribution.
My point is that naming things after people may over simplify attribution, but it also does a larger service by emphasizing that science is a process done by people. Science is not, as some uninitiated believe, simply a cold statement or revelation of facts. People *do* science while simultaneously *guiding* or even inventing the science. They define what become interesting problems while human curiosity and interests provide the driving force in the direction of scientific work. Naming things is an important part of how humans think about things and associating ideas or techniques with a scientist or group is an accurate way of representing how the process of science works. It is a human process and I’d rather not expunge that even though the attribution can rarely capture the full scope of the history. That’s my two-cents as we say here in the US. -David David Elbert Hopkins Extreme Materials Institute Malone Hall Johns Hopkins University 3400 N. Charles St Baltimore, MD 21218 (410) 516-5049 elbert_at_jhu.edu > On Aug 17, 2018, at 5:30 AM, Alan Hewat <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> wrote: > > > ...your responsibility in establishing and approving the legend is quite > > high > > Then times to destroy the legend come, and you want to be a part of it > > too, apparently. > > As I get older, I believe less and less in legends. In the IUCr 1999 issue > that I cited, I should have also mentioned that there is an interesting > article on p.4 called "The Powder Diffraction Handicap > <http://ww1.iucr.org/news/v7n4/7-4.pdf>" by Armel le Bail :-) > > I personally think we should use Rietveld's original term "Profile > Refinement", which I already used in my Harwell report > 1973_The_Rietveld_Program_for_the_Profile_Refinement_of_ > Neutron_Diffraction_Powder_Patterns_AERE_R7350-von_Dreele_annotations.pdf > <http://hewat.net/science/papers/1973_The_Rietveld_Program_for_the_Profile_Refinement_of_%20Neutron_Diffraction_Powder_Patterns_AERE_R7350-von_Dreele_annotations.pdf> > > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 at 10:31, Le Bail Armel <le-bail.ar...@orange.fr > <mailto:le-bail.ar...@orange.fr>> wrote: > > >Probably, that's how legends begin. > > > Your presence on so many pictures together with Hugo Rietveld, suggests that > your responsibility in establishing and approving the legend is quite high, > between 30 and 60% maybe, but I recognize that Rwp is poorly satisfying for > this fit. > > http://home.wxs.nl/~rietv025/crystallografen-s.jpg > <http://home.wxs.nl/~rietv025/crystallografen-s.jpg> > > Then times to destroy the legend come, and you want to be a part of it too, > apparently. > > > Should we rename the Rietveld decomposition formula (equation 7 in his 1969 > paper) the Loopstra decomposition formula ? I am lost. > > > Best, > > > Armel > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Please do NOT attach files to the whole list <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> > Send commands to <lists...@ill.fr <mailto:lists...@ill.fr>> eg: HELP as the > subject with no body text > The Rietveld_L list archive is on > http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > -- > ______________________________________________ > Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE > <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> +33.476.98.41.68 > http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat > <http://www.neutronoptics.com/hewat> > ______________________________________________ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Please do NOT attach files to the whole list <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> > Send commands to <lists...@ill.fr> eg: HELP as the subject with no body text > The Rietveld_L list archive is on > http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >
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