On 01/19/2015 11:39 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
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From: sas...@radio42.de
2015-01-19 16:07, Cowboy wrote:

  Rivendell, being a *professional* automation system by and for
  *professional* broadcasters, I can see where the production rat
  has spent hours getting a piece "just so" to have it destroyed by
  a machine's idea of what "sounds even" to a human.
"Rivendell, being a *professional* automation system" -> That's one
reason more why Rivendell might need Loudness Normalization.
...
Big disagree. In times of the loudness war it is even more necessary
to have a proper (loudness) normalization.
...
"Normalization", of whatever type, is something which happens inter-track,
across a library, not intra-track, inside a single song.


This is a rather interesting discussion. I remember back in the 90's, when the CoolEdit 'normalize' was peak only in nature, of going through tracks and peak normalizing everything during initial production. Yes, I know that means different tracks had (and have) different 'loudness' since loudness has almost nothing to do with peak amplitude. But I also knew that the Optimod at the transmitter was going to completely blow away any and all loudness normalization I was doing anyway. I peak normalized for a completely different reason than loudness levelling (which peak normalization doesn't do anyway): maximizing signal to quantization noise ratios. With 16 bit audio, peak normalization can make things sound marginally better when it is being mashed and munged by the Optimod or Omnia at the transmitter. In my case, it was for an AM, where modulation isn't just about loudness, but also about coverage; if the positive peaks were hitting anything less than 110% the GM wasn't happy, at all..

With 24 bit production being somewhat the norm these days, the S/N ratio, at least for quantization noise, isn't nearly as important. But getting the loudness 'just so' still runs afoul of the processor at the transmitter; that is, a machine is making loudness decisions for you anyway in the air chain. And the AM Optimods do some of the absolutely most invasive processing on audio that you can imagine; the old 9100, for instance, started out with a phase scrambling all-pass filter, which mangles peaks like nobody's business. Bob Katz' Mastering Audio book covers this thoroughly, by the way, and should be required reading for anyone producing cuts for air.

Hi Jay; different audience from NANOG, no?

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