The underlying problem is that the infrastructure is shared by thirty projects, many of them high-profile, and there is a disinclination to add any more hardware than necessary. The ASF is also a high-profile target for hackers (black and white hat), so people are naturally cautious about new tools.
As a result, there is pressure from the infrastructure team for people to use products that can be vettted and shared. As it stands, it's not like SourceForge or Kattare, where everyone gets their own stomping ground. There is a predilection for sharing infrastrucgtufre resources in common and restricting access. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it is how it is. With one exception: Hermes supports zones and some projects get their own zone where they can run their own stuff. I just don't know if a PPMC can get a zone, or if there are any available right now. * http://www.apache.org/dev/solaris-zones.html We are in the midst of transfering the bulk of infrastructure support to a third-party, which could bring about more change, but, like everything else, that initiative seems to be proceeding at a glacial pace. Another underlying problem is that most ASF committers and members are grassroots engneers, who rarely write documentation. Those of us who do write a lot of documentation realize the value of products like JSPWiki or Confluence, but it's difficult to explain that to someone who codes with emacs and dimisses anything else as a "shiny new toy". Meanwhile, there is no rule that says we can't link to third-party resources. We've had the iBATIS wiki offsite for over a year now. There's no reason why we can't do the same with the Roller wiki, so long as we make it plain that it is not an ASF asset. -Ted On 6/5/06, Dave Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't understand why we can't just replicate the setup at rollerweblogger.org: Roller + JSPWiki. I'm definitely not looking forward to converting the wiki from one wiki syntax to another or using a competing and non-free wiki/blog server like Confluence. I'm willing to support the Roller/JSPWiki combo just as I have been doing at rollerweblogger.org, but I'm not sure I'm willing to spend time converting content. Are you suggesting converting the entire wiki, or just doing all new work on the new wiki? - Dave On 6/5/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/5/06, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can't see any reason not to do the wiki though. The ASF one is > > MoinMoin rather than JSPWiki. > > Personally, I find MoinMoin painful to use. I use it when I > absolutely must, otherwise, I flee to Confluence. > > There's an ongoing effort to get a Confluence server setup at the ASF. > In the meantime, there's a server sponsored by Atlassian that we could > use, if that's what folks wanted to do. > > * http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/dashboard.action > > -Ted.
