My point was that if you wanted to get into a discussion about the viability of companion guides, you might get a better debate going from another forum. I suggested "transactions" as there appears to be a good mixture of technical and business people monitoring that forum. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I suspect that ID & Routing forum doesn't quite attract the same crowd.
----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Kammerer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:13:28 -0400 To: "''WEDi/SNIP ID & Routing''" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: The use of Supplemental IG's > A number of friction points have to be eliminated if we are to > automatically "hook up" players in healthcare EDI. Unsolicited > transactions from providers to payers (or even Payer-to-Payer, in the > COB Model) would have to be supported without onerous up-front > enrollment and coordination if our dreams of frictionless HIPAA > e-commerce are to be realized. The discussion of companion guides arose > out of the original thread entitled "Non-participating/out of network > providers." Heretofore, the lack of standard transactions may have been > one of the primary reasons providers did not electronically engage > infrequently encountered payers - as opposed to vague and unspecified > "financial reasons." > > Now that standard transactions are available, one-off implementation > guides are no longer an impediment to the free exchange of healthcare > administrative transactions - that is, unless these "companion" guides > get out of hand. As I've amply demonstrated, this is starting to > happen: if each payer insists on arbitrarily changing the syntax and > meaning of the HIPAA standard transactions through their "companion" > guides (as CMS has done), there may be less point in removing the other > barriers to exchanging transactions (e.g., paper enrollment). > > Companion guides were meant to assist partners so they could understand > what pieces of information you are going to extract from the standard > transactions and how they would be used in adjudication. I don't even > think there's a "fine line" between "we will use the tax ID in > preference to the DUNS for identifying providers" or "all amounts are > expected to be in U.S. Dollars" - (carefully phrased semantic usages) - > and wholesale rewrites of the HIPAA IG syntax rules. The former can > probably be handled quite elegantly, for example, by the sender always > including the Tax ID and DUNS, if available - as recipients can't demand > that information they don't need be excluded. Unfortunately, changing > the syntax usages requires separate maps or similar gymnastics for each > partner. There's no need to bring this issue up on the Transactions > listserve unless Paul Weber or others here fear that the purpose of > companion guides is widely misunderstood. > > Our CPP electronic partner profile can support companion guides; left > to determine is just how automated we can make that support. Since (well > thought out and HIPAA compliant) companion guides are part of the > process of setting up new partners, discussion of them is obviously > relevant to our goal of using the CPP to automatically configure partner > profile information. > > William J. Kammerer > Novannet, LLC. > Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859 > +1 (614) 487-0320 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, 03 July, 2002 01:35 PM > Subject: RE: The use of Supplemental IG's > > > Have to agree with Rachel. Please move this discussion elsewhere where > we can get more folks involved. Perhaps "transactions"? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rachel Foerster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WEDi/SNIP ID & Routing'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, 03 July, 2002 12:18 PM > Subject: RE: The use of Supplemental IG's > > Please excuse my confusion here, but I don't see how the use of > companion guides is related to the challenges of addressing and routing. > Are we getting off on a non-essential tangent to the primary goal of > this group? > > Rachel Foerster > Principal > Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd. > Professionals in EDI & Electronic Commerce > 39432 North Avenue > Beach Park, IL 60099 > Phone: 847-872-8070 > Fax: 847-872-6860 > http://www.rfa-edi.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Kammerer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:20 PM > To: WEDi/SNIP ID & Routing > Subject: Re: The use of Supplemental IG's > > > Just out of curiosity, I went to the CMS web site to see if there were > any Program Memos or Transmittals that had stuff about restricting > inbound delimiters Sure enough, one of the first I picked out, > Transmittal B-01-71 of NOVEMBER 8, 2001, says incoming 837 Professional > transactions must utilize delimiters from the following list: >, *, ~, > ^, |, and: - exactly the situation I was bemoaning! What if another > payer wants me to use the group, record and unit separators (hex 0x1D, > 0x1E and 0x1F) only? Arbitrary special conditions for every payer! - > precisely the problem standard transactions were meant to take care of! > > To top it off, I see where it also says Currency code (CUR02) must equal > 'USA' - I take this to mean that CMS wants all amounts in U.S. Dollars, > even if the billing provider is Canadian, for example. But this can't > possibly make any sense since the currency code must be one of the > internationally recognized codes from ISO 4217. "USA" is not among > them - "USD" is the symbol for the U.S. Dollar. So would I have to make > a special exception in my mapping for just CMS in order to use an > invalid currency code - because that's "just the way they do it." My > data wouldn't even make it past a halfway self-respecting compliance > analyzer using CMS' made-up codes. Or perhaps it was a typo? > > I have no problem with a companion guide that says what the payer is > going to use from the particular standard transaction. But to reinvent > the X12 and HIPAA IG syntax rules wholesale, as CMS is doing here, is > clearly prohibited by the HIPAA TCS rule. I wouldn't be surprised if > this kind of stuff becomes epidemic, and we're back to where we started > from: one-off payer-specific IGs. > > For the purposes of our project, let's assume by October 2004 that we'll > truly have standard IGs - and payers abiding by them! > > William J. Kammerer > Novannet, LLC. > Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859 > +1 (614) 487-0320 > > > > discussions on this listserv therefore represent the views of the individual > participants, and do not necessarily represent the views of the WEDI Board of > Directors nor WEDI SNIP. 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