The text from the preamble reads the same way as the 837 IG;  I see
absolutely no requirement for a "prior trading partner agreement," which
would imply paper and human intervention.  Anyway, Kepa Zubeldia seems
to have already covered this in Myth #233: COB claims, on HIPAAlive (16
Nov 2001), lifted here without any permission whatsoever:

   I think there is an HHS FAQ response from 11/2/2001 that is
   being misunderstood. Read the response very carefully:

   <FAQ Question>
   As a health plan we currently only conduct coordination of
   benefits (COB) with Medicare. Does the transaction and code
   set regulation require health plans to conduct COB with all
   health plans and health care providers even though they may
   not currently conduct COB with those entities?
   <FAQ Answer>
   No. It is the health plan's decision as to whether they
   coordinate benefits electronically with another health plan
   or a health care provider. If a health plan decides to
   coordinate benefits electronically with another health plan
   or a health care provider, they must use the standard
   transaction for COB.
   <FAQ End>

   It does NOT say that the plan decides whether to accept a
   COB claim or not. The plan MUST accept a claim that
   contains COB information, just as they must accept any
   other 837 claim.

   Then, once the plan has accepted a claim with COB
   information, the plan is not required to actually
   coordinate the benefits with another plan, unless they have
   agreed to do so. If the plan does not want to coordinate
   benefits, that is their choice. But, if they make that
   choice, they would have to pay the claim as primary.
   Probably not a good business practice. :-)

   The reason behind this is that an 837 is a claim. With or
   without COB information in it, it is still a claim. The
   plan does not need to support the COB business
   functionality, but they must accept the claim and
   adjudicate it.

   And, if they desire to coordinate benefits, they cannot ask
   for a paper version (photocopy of original EOB/RA) of the
   COB information that was already present in the electronic
   claim.

   I hope this helps clear up the confusion in this area.

Actually, it seems Kepa has long ago solved the problem for us, and it
appears there's no need for trading partner agreements (between payers)
if I've read him correctly.  That's all I want to know.  If so, we don't
have to do anything at all within the CPP to support (i.e., "announce")
COB capability:  it's automatic and implicit.

One problem down, 2654 left to go.

William J. Kammerer
Novannet, LLC.
Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
+1 (614) 487-0320

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Foerster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WEDi/SNIP ID & Routing'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 05 July, 2002 02:14 PM
Subject: RE: The use of Supplemental IG's

While the 837 IG may not require a prior trading partner agreement for
the payer-to-payer COB model, the final transaction rule on page 50336
of the preamble certainly does.

Response: Coordination of Benefits can be accomplished in two ways,
either between health plans and other payers (for example, an auto
insurance company), or from a health care provider to a health plan or
other payer. The choice of model is up to the health plan.

Under this rule health plans are only required to accept COB
transactions from other entities, including those that are not covered
entities, with which they have trading partner agreements to conduct
COB. Once such an agreement is in place, a health plan may not refuse to
accept and process a COB transaction on the basis that it is a standard
transaction."

Rachel Foerster
Principal
Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd.
Professionals in EDI & Electronic Commerce
39432 North Avenue
Beach Park, IL 60099
Phone: 847-872-8070
Fax: 847-872-6860
http://www.rfa-edi.com



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