Tim, Another fine job. Just FYI ... Jobu isn't ignorant. He's just plain stoopid as hell.
HTH Slef E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] The Little Nation That Cried 'Wolf'.... > I'm not going to spend a lot more time discussing this with you, because > according to the post below you are admittedly ignorant of the facts and > would vote for a particular candidate simply due to a homosexual attraction > to him. > > However, to address your concern. You DO place politics above common sense. > You do not agree with the war in Iraq which represents a political stance > that you have taken. You therefore have chosen to ignore common sense in the > most recent terror warning regarding flights from France. According to what > I saw, they intercepted messages from Al Qaeda referring to using > international flights to attack LA or Las Vegas, and multiple people known > to sympathize with Al Qaeda were booked on those flights. That's enough for > me right there. Cancel the flights. Take no chances. That's just COMMON > SENSE. Not to mention the fact that we have no idea what ELSE they may know > or may be trying to find out by taking this action. > > We (the American public) don't know everything they (military intelligence) > know. We don't know what kind of head games they are currently playing with > the terrorists. Are you aware that during WWII we cracked the code that the > German military command was using to communicate with their troops and ships > at sea, but had to allow some attacks against our forces to proceed so that > the Germans would not know that we had broken that code and we therefore > could continue to gain more and better information from them. People died > because they came under attacks that we could have prevented, but it was > necassary when looking at the bigger picture and trying to win the war. > > We just don't know all the facts involved here and have to trust that the > people in charge are doing the best they can to prevent a future attack on > our innocent civilians. That is COMMON SENSE. > > Your blabbering about how easy it would have been for us to kill Saddam > before the war is utter BS. First off it is obviously not as easy as you > think it is, second, simply killing him would not have accomplished the > bigger goal. In this war against terror we have to remove the environment > that allows the terrorist groups to proliferate. Iraq was a breeding ground, > as are many ather countries in the middle east. We need to set up a > democracy in Iraq which will stand over the years as beacon of freedom and > religous tolerance to the other societies in this region of what is possible > for them. The same is being done in Afghanistan, but Afghanistan does not > pocess the wealth of Iraq and can never be the beacon that we need. The > people of the other middle eastern countries need to be jealous of Iraq and > wish emulate them which, will mean freedom with no tolerance of terrorist > violence. > > Your simplified view of the world indicates your admitted ingnorance of > reality. Yet, you continue to post crap like the almanac post to remove any > doubt that you may have thoughts deep enough to drown an earthworm. > > One more for the road... > > "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." > - Edmund Burke, British statesman and philosopher > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Behalf Of Joel Perry > >Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 12:12 PM > >To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' > >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] The Little Nation That Cried 'Wolf'.... > > > > > >First off, I'm about as anti-political as you can get. I care less about > >who, or more precisely, which party is in office as I do about the > >best ways > >to remove unwanted body hair. Hell I liked Perot way back when. I don't > >contribute to any political parties. I change the channel when any mention > >of politics is brought up. Hell I though Dean's first name was > >"Jimmy" and I > >like his sausage. That's enough for my vote. > > > >I re-read some of my stuff. Dayum I need to proof read that stuff before I > >send it out. Seems I don't like to use all the words needed to complete a > >sentence. > > > >You brought up so many points I don't know where to start. Although I would > >really like for you to expand on your statement concerning me placing > >"politics above common sense". I may be assuming to quickly, but I'm > >thinking that you feel it is common sense for the US to unleash the full > >power of its armed forces on any nation who isn't 'with us' as > >Bush said. If > >it so desired, the US could have taken out Saddam at any time prior to ABC > >News reporting their latest position while traveling on the road > >to Baghdad. > >A small group of Army Rangers or Marine Green Berets could have done a much > >cleaner job. A small, well placed nuclear device could have done the trick. > >Oh but no. We had to invite the media of the world to ride > >shot-gun and film > >the invasion of another country in the name of removing the dictator and > >uncovering WMD. So far we're 1 for 2. My point? This war was\is completely > >politically motivated. To accomplish the goal of the war, that is to remove > >Saddam, could have been done quietly and without the glamour of > >TV. But then > >I wouldn't be able to order my George Bush action figure. I supplied a link > >incase you want one too: > >http://talkingpresidents.com/products-af-bush-fs.shtml > > > >Skipping to the end of your post, the quote "People like you have > >threatened > >societies for as long as humanity has inhabited the earth" also interests > >me. Just why am I a threat to society? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >Behalf Of Tim Boozer > >Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 10:14 AM > >To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] The Little Nation That Cried 'Wolf'.... > > > >Dude - your inverted logic astounds practically any person with electrical > >activity in their gray matter. > > > >YES - you are VERY dangerous. You are dangerous because you place politics > >above common sense. > > > >Your post and the subject line that called our nation a "Little Nation" > >referred to the recent terror threat and the grounding of certain French > >flights, not the liberation of Iraq in order to remove a ruthless dictator > >who was providing safe harbor to terrorists. WE ARE AT WAR AGAINST > >TERRORISM. How many times have we heard the President say "This is a > >different kind of war," yet you just don't (or more likely won't) get it. > > > >According to your comments below, we caused 9-11 and deserved it. > >Don't try > >to deny that you said it, because it is now in the archives for all to see. > >I'll reprint below for emphasis: > > > >>Jobu: I bet is we weren't over there occupying THEIR lands then > >we wouldn't > >>be the 'infidels'. 9-11 wasn't the first attack on US citizens by these > >>terrorist, but it was an attack that could not be ignored. Take a > >minute to > >>look beyond USA Today and contemplate on why these people want to kill us. > >>Therein lies the basis for their courage and anger toward the US. > > > >YOU ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! > > > >You are more dangerous than any terrorist because politics has blinded you > >to logic. YES, there is a problem with the perception of America in the > >Middle East. However, logical people realize that does not form a basis for > >killing thousands of innocent civilians. > > > >You claim not to be liberal, yet if this is true, then you are missing your > >calling. They want and need you. I will not go through each > >"point" you made > >and rebuke each one because doing so insinuates that such rebuttal is > >necessary, it is not. Any reasonable person can see through your facade. > > > >In my original post, I called you some childish names. I apologize > >for that. > >It was below me. I was simply infuriated to return from my Christmas > >vacation and find THAT waiting in my inbox. > > > >I realize that some people in this country are actually hoping for another > >terrorist attack, because that would be politically damaging to President > >Bush. I am beginning to wonder if you are one of those people. > > > >I'll leave with two more quotes. One from a historical philosopher so that > >you will realize that you are in good company and another from our > >President > >on September 20, 2001. > > > >People like you have threatened societies for as long as humanity has > >inhabited the earth. > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot > >survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for > >he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the > >traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly > >whispers rustling > >through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the > >traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to > >his victim, > >and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness > >that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he > >works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; > >he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is > >less to be feared. The traitor is the plague." > > > >- Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Orator - 106-43 B.C. > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated > >strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, > >unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, > >visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will > >starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive > >them from > >place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue > >nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every > >nation, in every > >region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with > >the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor > >or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile > >regime. > > > >- U.S. President George W. Bush - September 20, 2001 > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Behalf Of Joel Perry > >>Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 9:43 AM > >>To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' > >>Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] The Little Nation That Cried 'Wolf'.... > >> > >> > >>Let's take 'em one at the time: > >>TB: You know what Joel, I don't know you from a hole in the wall and I 've > >>only been participating here for a very short time now, but so far you > >>strike me as not only a liberal idiot, but a dangerous one as well. > >>Jobu: Liberal? Hardly. Dangerous? Only to a 12 pack of Corona. I > >>tend to not > >>believe the face value of anything. I also tend to state my thoughts even > >>when they go against the herd mentality of the rest. Especially if Sleffie > >>is included with the majority. And he usually is because he can't put > >>together two original thoughts without help from his dogs. > >> > >>TB: We are at war dumbass! Did we just avert another terrorist attack??? > >>Maybe, maybe not. I'd rather be safe than sorry, jackass. > >>Jobu: War? I seem to remember a stunning young ace fighter pilot > >(The theme > >>to Top Gun in the background) landing on an aircraft carrier deck > >and later > >>declaring that it was the end of major conflict in the "Liberation > >>of Iraq". > >>Even so, we still seem to be losing man and women almost daily as the US > >>spreads its wings around the oil wells, in mean, the people of > >>Iraq. The use > >>of the word "War" conjures up visions of two opposing armies facing off in > >>order to battle for their cause. The US invaded a nation to arrest (kill, > >>be-head, castrate, slaughter, or the more popular 'bring to > >justice') their > >>leader in order to protect our freedom. We destroyed their army and > >>proclaimed the US victorious. If this was once a 'war', it has now turned > >>into 'occupation' and there is no end. BTW, how's that search for > >those WMD > >>coming? I thought so...... > >>Jobu con't: Each time we cancel or cause to cancel a flight, we are not > >>averting a terrorist attack. As I said before, we'll know all about the > >>latest attack after CNN reports it. > >> > >>TB: How many more 9-11's will it take for you to understand that we are at > >>war with an enemy whose stated goal is to "kill all infidels"?? > >>Jobu: I bet is we weren't over there occupying THEIR lands then > >we wouldn't > >>be the 'infidels'. 9-11 wasn't the first attack on US citizens by these > >>terrorist, but it was an attack that could not be ignored. Take a > >minute to > >>look beyond USA Today and contemplate on why these people want to kill us. > >>Therein lies the basis for their courage and anger toward the US. > >> > >>TB: Let me make it simple for you, that means either convert to > >>Islam, or be > >>dead. I suppose a pussy ass wimp like you would just rather convert than > >>fight for his own freedom. > >>Jobu: Replace the word 'Islam' with 'Christianity' and one could make the > >>argument that the US is waging its own 'Holy War' under the cover of > >>'combating terrorists and their beliefs'. Are we really fighting for our > >>freedom or against the culture and lifestyle of a religious sect that we > >>perceive to be less civilized than our own? We may be winning the > >>gun fights > >>in the streets of Iraq, but we are losing the safe feeling we once > >>had. When > >>you think about flying or boarding a cruise ship, what are the first > >>thoughts you have? When you pass a gasoline tanker on the highway, do you > >>pay it any attention or do you sometimes think of what could happen with a > >>well placed explosive on the tanker? If we are indeed fighting for our > >>freedoms, why are we a nation of people who are always seeing > >things in the > >>shadows? > >> > >>We have not gained anything by this 'war' except drawing > >attention from the > >>fact that Osama is still unaccounted for. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >>Behalf Of Tim Boozer > >>Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:54 PM > >>To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > >>Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] The Little Nation That Cried 'Wolf'.... > >> > >>You know what Joel, I don't know you from a hole in the wall and > >I 've only > >>been participating here for a very short time now, but so far you > >strike me > >>as not only a liberal idiot, but a dangerous one as well. > >> > >>We are at war dumbass! Did we just avert another terrorist attack??? > >>Maybe, maybe not. I'd rather be safe than sorry, jackass. > >> > >>How many more 9-11's will it take for you to understand that we are at war > >>with an enemy whose stated goal is to "kill all infidels"?? > >> > >>Let me make it simple for you, that means either convert to Islam, or be > >>dead. I suppose a pussy ass wimp like you would just rather convert than > >>fight for his own freedom. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and > >>degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is > >>worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to > >>fight, nothing he cares about more than his personal safety; is a > >miserable > >>creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the > >>exertions of better men than himself. 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