Bill, I was looking thru a booklet on the B&O freight equipment and they had gondolas that would carry 8, 9, 10, or 12 containers, they went on to say the containers belonged to the B&O, but they would carry customers containers if they would fit the B&O so equipped cars. And that from a demurrage standpoint the containers and the car were considered the same unit...so you could not hoist out the containers and set them on the dock and release the car...In the descriptions of the operation they never use the LCL term. I feel pretty sure this went out from one shipper to one customer. Now it talks about small companies that can not handle large bulk quanities, this is an easy match up to them as they can be moved around in the plant to where they are needed and used. It also talks about Ferroalloys and a shipment might handle several different grades of material...this would be a billing nightmare. These containers would hold about 7 tons of material each 14000 lbs. If dealing with lime, this would be compared to like what the N&W did to move lime...take a boxcar near its end of useful life remove the doors, deposit a mound of lime at each end of the car and hose it down with water to make it crust over and not blow around then when unloading shovel it into wheelbarrows and cart it in to the plant...if you had a material handling conveyor or auger I guess you could shovel it out into a grate and be done with it. So now there containers start looking pretty good as to getting more of the starting amount of loaded product and less manpower hours in handling the stuff. Lime might be going to a repacking plant where the stuff is packed in 5 lb sacks and reshipped to a feed store or CooP...If is was say limestone it could be dumped right into a vessel at a steel mill. Same with coke if not in the containers it would be moved in an old open top rebuilt boxcar or stock car and removed by hand, if you got a hot load the car burned up along with the load of coke. I don't really see these in multi customer service, I guess you could ship to a customer at two locations, then LCL rates would apply, another billing mess or warehousing in route meaning a load went out of 4 containers went out to this customer and the other 4 containers were not sold yet....this was done more with coal or lumber you know it is going somewhere like with the coal you might have several grades of coal and you need to ship 25 cars of grape coal so in the storage yard you might have 30 cars of grape coal so out go 25..
While not on the container subject but coal, several roads like CNJ and D&H had twin hoppers that had a center dividing wall where a customer could get two grades of coal or a load of coal could go to two customers...those cars had a white or yellow stripe in the middle of the car to indicate the wall...again a RR trying to make it easier for a customer to get smaller amounts at a time.. If I missed a point...sorry about that, if I rambled sorry about that too.. Have a super day gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Nielsen To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: S Scale Container project - another question Thanks Gale, Wouldn't these cars have left the original shipper with a full load of containers, with each recipient getting his quantity of containers dropped off before the car continued on it's journey to the next customer? Or, would a customer ordering just a few containers (full of whatever) likely have seen his order loaded on one car by itself and shipped solely to him? Seems like if it is the latter scenario, calling it LCL is somewhat misleading, since for that particular shipment, a short number of containers would be a carload. My point is, if you are modeling only a receiving industry on your layout, having either a fully or partially loaded car would be justifiable, but if you are modeling an industry that shipped out product using these cars, would it be equally as justifiable for a car to leave that industry only partially full? And what about when the empty containers were picked up, would a car have been routed to each customer individually, or would it be routed to them successively, picking up a few containers at each stop until it was full? Thanks, Bill --- In [email protected], "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > A lot of the shipment went from supplier to customer and return when empty to supplier....most of the shipments were coke, lime or bricks.. > The Reading and Western Maryland had these smaller containers in larger gondolas like 52 ft and had gons that would carry 6 8 or 10 containers...not a car full..in these case the containers were over the trucks with heavy timber on the floor for spacers. I think in most case the RR's were working with shippers or customers trying to meet special requirements they might have to move and unload the product quickly....the unload would require a suitable crane be available for the unload and reload of empties....If you look at coil car covers I guess you could expect mixing of containers... > > gale hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Nielsen > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:22 PM > Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: S Scale Container project - more questions > > > > After thinking about these containers, I wonder what type of racks, latches, or other hardware was required in the gondola to anchor them down in order to prevent them from shifting during transit? I suppose such hardware may be too small or hidden enough so as to not be worth modeling, but I'm curious just the same. > > I also wonder how the RR kept track of the containers, especially if the receiving party didn't get a full carload. Was there some kind of deposit required, which was credited after the RR picked up the empties, was there a time limit for them to be unloaded, and would it have required special scheduling of a specially equipped gondola for pickup? Would these gondolas and containers be likely to be only seen on the home road, or would they have commonly gone out to other roads through interchange service? > > So many questions... > > Bill in FL > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
