Hey try joint compound works great ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 1783
> S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 18 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: [S-Scale] Allentown Train Show > From: John Foley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2. FW: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: Roy Inman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 3. Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: "robert allen conner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 4. Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: "Jim Armstrong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 5. Re: This guage That guage do any of you know how it really got started ..??? I Do > From: Scott Holm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 6. Hydrocal in bulk > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 7. Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: "David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 8. Re: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: "robert allen conner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 9. RE: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 10. RE: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: "Doug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 11. Re: ROAR OF THE RAILS > From: Glenn Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 12. Re: Hydrocal in bulk > From: "David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 13. Re: Digest Number 1782 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 14. Re: [S-Scale] Re: K-LINE S Cars > From: Chuck Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 15. Re: Digest Number 1782 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 16. Reminder - Sunday Chat > From: S-Trains > 17. Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: Kielek Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 18. Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > From: "Edward G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:27:41 -0500 > From: John Foley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Allentown Train Show > > UPDATE > Two tables are now available at the Allentown Train Show this weekend. > > John > 570 622 3413 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > At 08:01 PM 2/20/03 -0500, John Foley wrote: > >Hi Folks > > > > Someone ask me the other day if any tables were left over from the ones > >I had available. I told this fellow they were gone.Well one fellow backed out > >so I have one. So If interested contact me off line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or > >call > >570 622 3413. The show is this weekend. > >John > > > > > >To see or post Photos visit > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > >or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:35:27 -0600 > From: Roy Inman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: FW: Chariots and Track Gauges > > This is in response to Chris Zizzo's excellent and informative post > concerning track gauges. The original article was by a Steve Lowell. > I understand the points being made, but had not heard of the reference > "BCE." > "BC" as I always heard it meant before Christ, A.D. anno Domini, for after > Christ. > But what is the "E" for? > Roy Inman > > ---------- > > From: Chris Zizzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > To: slist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:05:43 -0500 > From: "robert allen conner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > > BCE = before Christian Era....Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "S-trains" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:35 AM > Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > This is in response to Chris Zizzo's excellent and informative post > > concerning track gauges. The original article was by a Steve Lowell. > > I understand the points being made, but had not heard of the reference > > "BCE." > > "BC" as I always heard it meant before Christ, A.D. anno Domini, for after > > Christ. > > But what is the "E" for? > > Roy Inman > > > > ---------- > > > From: Chris Zizzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > > To: slist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > > > by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:36:27 -0700 > From: "Jim Armstrong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > > Aw, Chris - I expect you also told your kids the truth about Santa Claus! > > Nice overview, though! Jim Armstrong > > Subject: Chariots and Track Gauges > > Every culture has its urban legends. While myths, fairy tales, folklore, > and traditional legends are generally considered fictional, allegorical, or > exaggerations of the truth, urban legends are reported as fact and are > widely believed to be factual among the masses. Urban legends are extremely > difficult to combat even when evidence exists to disprove them because they > seem reasonable, they fit comfortably into an individual's personal beliefs, > and most people are not inclined to go in search of "the truth." > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:01:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Holm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: This guage That guage do any of you know how it really got started ..??? I Do > > A great place to check anything that smells like an urban legend is: > > http://www.snopes.com > > Here is their page where the railroad gauge story is debunked. > > http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.htm > > By the way, gauge is spelled G-A-U-G-E, not guage. Sheesh! > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:50:01 -0600 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Hydrocal in bulk > > Chris, > > I had checked in with Woodland Scenics a year ago or so. They sell > Hydrocal in a 5 gallon bucket that seemed a reasonable price. (My feeble > mind can't remember if it was in the $20 or $40 range.) They have a > website that I believe is listed in their ads. Shipping cost is another > question. (We live close enough in Missouri that I was considering a > drive by pickup.) > > Bill > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:25:58 -0000 > From: "David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > Hydrocal is nothing more than Plaster Of Paris (Pardon the French > Reference). You can buy Plaster Of Paris in 25 pound bags at Lowes > for $6.86 DAP #10320 or Home Depot SKU 709352 for $7.97. Don't waste > your money spending $5 to $6 for a small bag of plaster at a hobby > shop. > > > > Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's in excellent > condition.... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:47:31 -0500 > From: "robert allen conner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > Hydrocal is much harder than Plaster of paris....Kinda like 2000# concrete > and 4000# concrete,,,,Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:25 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > > > Hydrocal is nothing more than Plaster Of Paris (Pardon the French > > Reference). You can buy Plaster Of Paris in 25 pound bags at Lowes > > for $6.86 DAP #10320 or Home Depot SKU 709352 for $7.97. Don't waste > > your money spending $5 to $6 for a small bag of plaster at a hobby > > shop. > > > > > > > > Always looking for Aurora HO Slot Cars from the 60's in excellent > > condition.... > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:10 -0500 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > Forwarded by request: > > Check your nearest foundry pattern supply company. EVERY hardness of > plasters. Also urethane casting compounds which are not those commonly used > in railroad modeling (Junk stuff to me). > The plasters were ones I used in modeling for 30 years (while building > architectural models). John Armstrong > > (I still can't send messages to Yehoo)(kick this out there) > > -- > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:50:09 -0500 (EST) > From: "Doug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > Now there's a listing I can't find in the Yellow pages. "foundry pattern > supply" > Any other listings it may be under? > Doug > > ------------- Original message follows ------------- > > Forwarded by request: > > Check your nearest foundry pattern supply company. EVERY hardness > of > plasters. Also urethane casting compounds which are not those > commonly used > in railroad modeling (Junk stuff to me). > The plasters were ones I used in modeling for 30 years (while building > architectural models). John Armstrong > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:12:50 -0500 > From: Glenn Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: ROAR OF THE RAILS > > > I want to thank Chuck for a wonderful labor of love in > posting all those pages. We can see the die was cast > before 1944 and Gilbert could have made so many > more steam locomotive variations as seen on pages > 4, 5, 6 & 7. Instead he basically picked 5 and > didn't go much further. > > Glenn > > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:37:08 -0500 > From: Chuck Harrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: "Roar Of The Rails" oline! > > I am happy to be able to offer for your online inspection the 1944 > Gilbert publication, "Roar Of The Rails" The world was at war, and > unlike the first world war, kids had to do without new trains. This > publication focused on prototype railroads, and at the same time > incouraged kids to buy war bonds and wait for the day that American > Flyer Trains would be available again. I am told this is a very rare > Gilbert publication, and I was fortunate to be able to get one in nearly > new condition for scanning. > > A reminder that when you get to the index page with the thumbnails, > clicking on a thumbnail gives you a single page view, while clicking on > the labels below the thumbnails, gives you the two page view, like the > book was laying open on your desk. > > The 1948 consumer catalog and the 1958 Toy Catalog were also posted > today. My thanks to Nick Colleran for these. > > Enjoy! > > http://www.myflyertrains.org > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:33:23 -0000 > From: "David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Hydrocal in bulk > > True but the difference is negligible. I had huge layouts when I was > into HO and saved a bundle using Plaster of Paris instead of > Hydrocal, and never had any troubles due to hardness. In some cases > you can also use Drywall mud. Just dilute with water until creamy and > have fun. Only $9.80 a 5 gallon bucket. :o) > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "robert allen conner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Hydrocal is much harder than Plaster of paris....Kinda like 2000# > concrete > > and 4000# concrete,,,,Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:25:11 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782 > > In a message dated 2/21/03 7:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Message: 14 > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:52:12 -0000 > > From: "Edward G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: This gauge That gauge do any of you know how it really got started > > ..??? I Do > > > > Edward, I must say, after I got up from my floor, after falling out of my > chair, laughing, I had to rush this missive to give you credit for what a lot > of people feel. Yes, I understand it is a passion, and the items are > expensive, to a degree, but, after all, aren't they all just toys that most > of us grew up with and learned certain mechanical, electrical, physics tricks > that certainly influenced us later in life. This is one man's opinion. Keep > up the great research! Carlton > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:18:52 -0500 > From: Chuck Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: K-LINE S Cars > > Looks to me like the boxcars are possibly oversize but obviously not > full 1/48 scale (where a 40' boxcar = 10" long) and were photographed > on SHS trucks. Wish someone with access would measure one for us. > > I still think K-Line getting S product out at that price may be a boon > to the hobby. It certainly offers a less expensive way to get more > "bullet proof" starter sets into the market and interest some > youngsters, assuming they go that far. Whether these cars are scale or > not is irrelevant- scalers will either adapt parts or not as they see > fit. That's not the market for these. Look at what sells in O Gauge > with all the compressed scale offerings. Remember that ACG were TOY > trains to stay in perspective. > > "pieter_roos " wrote: > > > > Yes, I did look at those pages. Looks to me like an O car on SHS > > trucks, so clearly this is subjective. We hear they tooled their own > > S trucks without the springs that seem to show on the catalog pages, > > that combined with the fact that the right hand coupler on every > > boxcar illustrated has the same droop suggests that these > > are "artists concepts" rather than photos of a group of actual cars; > > so they are pretty inconclusive. > > > > Chris Zizzo on the same list reports holding the cars in his hands > > and noted: > > > > "The box car looks just plain wrong. It is too tall and looks too > > big for the trucks. The skirting overhangs the wheels and simply > > does not look like any boxcar I have ever seen. I believe that this > > is an 027 car on S trucks." > > > > And in a second post: > > "I had these cars in my hands and I was very disappointed in what I > > saw. Fancy paint jobs aside, these boxcars are not an S product. > > They are not even a 3/16ths. scale product. They are eight inch 027 > > cars with S-trucks, like the Lionel horsecar. In fact, the horsecar > > looks better." > > > > His opinion, we are all free to form our own. > > > > He does say the tank car looks to be 3/16ths inch scale. I have a > > couple of Marx 3/16ths box car shells which, aside from the too > > steep roof slope, aren't bad for size. These have cast on doors, > > while the K-Line cars appear to have opening doors (which again > > suggests a different car from the Marx 3/16ths body). I also have a > > stock car that is right on for S, but that car is not in this lineup. > > > > I'm not saying people shouldn't buy these. If you like them, that's > > fine. But maybe we should communicate to K-Line that their efforts > > could be better directed to doing something different for S. It > > looks sometimes like when companies do notice S they decide we are > > so hungry for product we'll buy anything! > > > > Pieter > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Tom Hawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > . . . . . According to folks on the S Trains list who saw the > > actual models, > > > they are not made from the MARX 3/16ths scale tooling, but rather > > from the > > > 1/4 inch scale tooling. . . . . . . . . > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Greg Elems gave us a web-site URL to get a look at them. > > > http://myflyertrains.org/k-line.htm > > > I think if anyone took advantage of that, it would be obvious > > that these > > > are not 1/48 scale bodies on S gauge trucks. The bodies appear to > > be > > > approximately in scale with the trucks. The bodies of a lot of > > what is > > > sold as "O-27" or "O-gauge traditional size" are much closer to S > > than to > > > O, although it's rare when they are exactly right-on for S. But > > for > > > operators, as distinguished from precise modellers, they can be > > useful. > > > > > > So far in this K-line discussion, no one has noted that that 1989 > > Fall S > > > Fest car was a K-line car with S gauge trucks. It was a stock > > car, and in > > > overall profile it fits right in with S scale cars. > > > > To see or post Photos visit > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/files/ > > or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:28:30 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1782 > > In a message dated 2/21/03 7:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Message: 16 > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > From: Chris Zizzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Chariots and Track Gauges > > Thanks, Chris I learn something new every day. Carlton > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: 22 Feb 2003 01:02:24 -0000 > From: S-Trains > Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, February 23, 2003 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > This is our weekly chat session. > http://S-Scale.org/forum/ > Note to AOL8 users, try using Internet Explorer as your browser. > 8 PM EST > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:17:09 -0700 > From: Kielek Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > > Hey Roy..I believe BCE stands for Before Common Era Al K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Inman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "S-trains" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:35 AM > Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > This is in response to Chris Zizzo's excellent and informative post > > concerning track gauges. The original article was by a Steve Lowell. > > I understand the points being made, but had not heard of the reference > > "BCE." > > "BC" as I always heard it meant before Christ, A.D. anno Domini, for after > > Christ. > > But what is the "E" for? > > Roy Inman > > > > ---------- > > > From: Chris Zizzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:33:13 -0500 > > > To: slist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Chariots and Track Gauges > > > > > > by 600 BCE, centuries before the rise of Rome. > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 01:21:19 -0000 > From: "Edward G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Chariots and Track Gauges > > AAAWWWWWwwwwwww Chris ...I dont think ya let the thing about Santa > out of the Bag too.....GEEEEeezzzz....But ya did get the Punch Line > WRONG...lol..it wasnt about Chariots and Ruts ....It was about the > HORSES ASSES....sort of like what goes on in here between the shots > and argueing ...lolololol > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the Flyer you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
