Please all cool it down. John
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 04:59, John H Palmieri <jhpalmier...@gmail.com> wrote: > If I respond using "verb" as a verb, do you really think I'm seriously > criticizing you about using "vendor" as a verb? You're telling me to get a > life? Get a sense of humor. > > On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:45:07 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > >> I have not invented the verb "to vendor", I merely picked it up from >> Python docs and PEPs, e.g. >> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0518/#configparser >> (this one was written by native English speakers, I think) >> >> You seem to prefer to pick on my supposedly broken English, rather than >> read Python docs, as it's much less fun. >> >> Get a life. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023, 23:19 John H Palmieri, <jhpalm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Not all Americans like to verb things so profligately. >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:15:07 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023, 20:39 Matthias Koeppe, <matthia...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 7:22 PM Marc Culler <marc....@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 11:58 AM Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> I imagine it might be an artifact of the design of Sage on Mac app >>>>> >> Marc is releasing: >>>>> >> vendor everything. >>>>> > >>>>> > Vendor is a noun, not a verb. >>>>> >>>>> It's a curse, to be precise, and it slows down the project a lot. >>>>> We have to worry about over 400 packages!!! >>>>> Bloody hell, pardon my UK French, we have more interesting problems to >>>>> work on... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> FWIW, I consider Marc's effort to provide a self-contained macOS app >>>>> of Sage to be very valuable for the project. >>>>> >>>>> Dima is indeed using the word "vendor" incorrectly. I'm not concerned >>>>> about the grammar; I use it as a verb, too, in this specific context. >>>>> For source code, "vendoring" (= including a copy of the source code of >>>>> a dependency, modified or not, in the source code) is problematic for >>>>> various well known reasons. >>>>> But to accuse a binary distribution of "vendoring" is simply >>>>> meaningless. A binary distribution is made for the benefit of users. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I am not accusing Marc of vendoring, I am saying that him asking to >>>> supply essentially all the components of Sage in source form is asking too >>>> much, as it saddles us with extremely heavy maintenance task, for reasons >>>> questionable. >>>> >>>> Suppose we remove gmp from the list of packages we vendor (yes, "to >>>> vendor", i.e. "to perform vendoring", may be a verb, as we see here. As >>>> Americans make verbs out of everything, I find myself being gaslighted here >>>> by one of them.) >>>> >>>> What then, will it make the task of making a macOS Sage app impossible, >>>> or much harder, all of a sudden? >>>> I have trouble believing this. >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "sage-devel" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/fa119cf9-49bc-4b16-b6af-b1b6fd6584aen%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/fa119cf9-49bc-4b16-b6af-b1b6fd6584aen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "sage-devel" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/943e37ef-0a11-4331-9e20-52141ccdddc7n%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/943e37ef-0a11-4331-9e20-52141ccdddc7n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/25a17216-502e-4c4d-b70d-73e6e028881cn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/25a17216-502e-4c4d-b70d-73e6e028881cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. 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