On 20 October 2013 03:17, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM, kcrisman <kcris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:05:44 PM UTC-4, Volker Braun wrote:
>>>
>>> There are a number of optional databases without or with incomplete
>>> SPKG.txt. If nobody knows the copyright status of the following optional
>>> spkgs then they will have to be deleted:
>>>
>>> cunningham_tables
>>> database_jones_numfield
>>> database_kohel
>>> database_odlyzko_zeta
>>> database_sloane_oeis
>>> database_stein_watkins_mini.p0
>>>
>>> Also, if nobody steps up to write a SPKG.txt file
>>> (http://www.sagemath.org/doc/developer/producing_spkgs.html#the-file-spkg-txt)
>>> then they will have to be moved to experimental IMHO.
>>>
>>> The ticket for making the optional spkgs ready for the sage-git directory
>>> layout is here: http://trac.sagemath.org/14962. Optional spkgs can have
>>> their build script moved into the git repo, but you can also use the old
>>> workflow for the spkg. But the above spkgs don't work with the new directory
>>> layout and need some changes for the new paths. I can fix the paths if you
>>> don't want to, but I can't invent a copyright status...
>>>
>>
>>
>> First, as for the Odlyzko spkg,
>> http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/databases/sage/databases/odlyzko.html
>> also would have to be changed... but
>> http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/zeta_tables/ seems to indicate they are
>> almost free for the taking.  Since Prof. Odlyzko seems to keep his website
>> up to date and refers to William's books as references for a current class,
>> I'm cc:ing him in the hopes that he'll be able to clarify the copyright
>> status soon enough to satisfy you :-)
>>
>> Prof. Odlyzko, is there any copyright status we could put on your zeta
>> function database to keep it a legitimate part of Sage?  It is obviously
>> extremely useful to have as (an optional) part of this open source software.
>>
>>
>>> database_stein_watkins_mini.p0
>>>
>>
>> Wouldn't this have the same status as the "huge" database
>> http://www.sagemath.org/doc/reference/databases/sage/databases/stein_watkins.html
>> ?  Presumably some random (for certain values of random) person affiliated
>> with Sage should know the copyright status of this one... just sayin'.
>
> I own the "copyright" on the stein-watkins tables, and definitely
> anybody can use them however they want.  They're just raw data.
> Somebody could recompute exactly the same information in a year if
> they wanted to.
>

That sounds like a challenge!  I was looking into the (large) s-w
database a couple of days ago and had been thinking of writing
spkg.txt files for both as well as upgrading the spkg-install scripts.
 For the large db the current install script fails on systems for
which "mv -rv" is not allowed (e.g. linux), and even replacing it with
"mv -v" fails if you already have installed the mini version.  Now of
which would be hard to fix.

John

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>
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