On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:53 PM E. Madison Bray <erik.m.b...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:41 AM Timo Kaufmann <eisfre...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have said this before, but I feel like the point was dropped out of
> the discussion so I'll stress it again. The major issue here is *not* the
> compatibility of sage's own codebase. A few "from __future__ import"'s are
> not so bad.
> >
> > The issue is that python2 compatibility forces us to use outdated
> versions of a lot of libraries, since many libraries have dropped python2
> support a while ago. This is a big headache especially for packagers. Those
> outdated libraries are generally not available on distros. At the same time
> sage is usually not compatible with the newer versions. Sage is already
> difficult to package, and that makes it a lot more difficult.
>
> Can you be more specific about this?  What is it about Sage's upstream
> codebase maintaining backwards-compatibility for Python 2 that
> prevents you from packaging it for Python 3 only, given that it does
> support Python 3?  No one is saying that just because upstream support
> is maintained for Python 2 for one or two (at the most) more releases,
> any downstream packagers have to package it for Python 2.
>

I'll give an example. sage has rpy2 2.8.2.
rpy2 latest is 3.2.4 but 3.x series is python 3 only and sage requires
breaking changes to support rpy2 3.x. See
https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/28494#comment:6
While python2 support for rpy2 is required, sage codebase can't be updated
to 3.x (unless someone adds code to detect rpy2 version and support both
2.8.2 and 3.2.4)

Isuru


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