On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 01:25:32PM -0400, Larry Linder wrote: > > Centos 8 problems. > > 1. We noticed that the mouse wheel has changed direction - why after 40 > years. This should be removed. >
"get used to it". Apple and Microsoft decreed that the mouse wheel should go same direction as touch pad. never mind that it broke the scroll bars. > > 4. There does not appear to be a C Shell. We have 100's of usefull > scripts that don't work. The man pages are there but no /bin/csh. > The "C-shell" was never liberated from the AT&T UNIX. What you though was the C-shell, was actually the T-shell (tcsh). Maybe el8 forgot to symlink /bin/csh -> /bin/tcsh. > > 5. We were able to install NVidea drivers but it still didn't work. > You have a couple of commands to run to set default to nvidea driver. > This is the only thing that has worked. > NVidia is spelled NVidia, with an "i". > > 6. When you drag a terminal to the desktop and click to select it. It > rearranges all the other desktop terminal windows. > Dragging things ruins the floor finish, do not do it. Terminals are for typing, if they were meant to be moved, they would be on wheels. > > 7. Focus follows the mouse was one of the most useful things when > putting data into other documents or spreadsheets. Without it it makes > doing my bank ledger almost impossible. > There was always a per-user setting to change this. Surely they did not remove it in their always-war on users? > > 8. Simple things are now complicated and require 3 to 4 time more > mousing around to accomplish a simple task. > You should try a Mac or Windows, even worse there. > > 9. After fixing the mouse direction we cannot even run "yum" Checked > permissions and paths but bash can't find it. > Surely /usr/bin/yum works? But did they not replace yum with dnf? Or they did but changed the name back to yum? And kept the package names as dot-rpm but changed the compression method to ensure lack of compatibility with old packages? > > 10 The neat little GUI that allowed you to set up users, groups, > specify UID, home directory and shell for users is gone too. It all > back to the command line. > Yup, the good old system-config-xxx GUIs have been disappearing one-by-one with each release. > > 12 "fstab is now jiberish and the man pages have not changes. I need > to add a couple of directories the install disk partitions the insall > did not install. > It is not gibberish. It is "mount by UUID". (find 10 differences). > > 15 Setting up network and fixed IP's was a major major cammand line > exercise. The old utility that made it easy is now gone. > Welcome to the world of nm-connection-editor and "vi /etc/sysconfig/files". > > 16 None of my CAD / CAM packages work! So there is nothing to plot. > I wonder if altera quartus works... > > 17 Last step is to reinstall SL 7.6 with KDE on text box and call it done. > s/SL_7.6/Ubuntu_LTS/ > > I hate to say this: > The most productive system in the shop is SL 5.11 running KDE 3.4. > IMHO, SL6 was the "peak linux" from Red Hat. Downhill from there. > > Centos 8 is a major loss to the engineering community!!! > Nobody uses RHEL/CentOS. Even at CERN, the home of "CERN Linux" (CentOS-based), the developers of ROOT do not use it for their development. > > RedHat & Centos has laid a big Egg. The product should be recalled as a > defective product as its basically useless. > Nah, you are just the "wrong user". > > I would advise anyone who is a unix / linux user to not even bother with > installing it, > I will have to try it, cannot reject it without trying first-hand. > > If Red Hat were smart they would look at all the good stuff that has > worked for years and make sure new OS included them and they would have > a winner. They may not be fancy but they work. > Instead, we have systemd, a fight with ZFS, removal of NIS, removal of KDE, removal of ... > > Now if Apple made the Mac OS available at a reasonable cost Window 10 > and Linux would simply cese to exist. > Instead, Apple is killing MacOS by stopping to build computers. Look at the latest offerings: keyboard partially replaced with an extra-hard-on-figers glass touchpad, remaining keyboard keys mostly work (check the class-action lawsuit about faulty keyboards), but Apple are looking at "making the keyboard more thin". > > You always have to remind your self it take time it costs money. > If it a good product the customer will be on your door step with cash in > hand. If there are no customers things will go cold and dark and you > will become hungry. > They found another profit center - make cat-video machines for the mass market (capture cat videos, post them on youtube; watch cat videos on youtube, this is the full list of supported functions). > > Another weekend almost shot- I am going back to sleep. > Not for me. I am heading for this (today, dancing; tomorrow, playing the music) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DduKis8cFhXk&d=DwIBAg&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=pfzG3uuoqYjYPqIwza_-0fPiS-zqH6OlMSDK4cxCrdU&s=fpSVOrqYHsfvlRpkTsGbaR6Ge1LrHJGGt4Iy-Lvv9JU&e= K.O. > Larry Linder > > I reminds me of the release of Windows 3.0 in early 90's that only did > business cards and nothing else. It was pretty short lived > On Thu, 2019-10-03 at 17:24 -0700, jdowjunkm...@earthlink.net wrote: > > A quick search suggests there are some problems in this regard. Ideal is > > "don't > > install the cloud related modules in the first place." If you have you can > > uninstall or disable the cloud service initialization. If you have been > > running > > awhile you may have to create new ssh etc keys. Installing the cloud > > "stuff" > > apparently alters the keys. > > > > VMs are an excellent way to test the install process for these kinds of > > pitfalls > > and find workarounds. They seem to be highly recommended. > > {^_^} Joanne > > > > On 20191003 09:43:21, Dave Dykstra wrote: > > > Larry, > > > > > > There are typically lots of rough edges for the first few point releases > > > in RHEL major releases. They need people to test and report problems > > > including instructions on how to reproduce the problems in order to get > > > them fixed for later. I wouldn't expect it to be suitable for > > > production use until 8.2 or 8.3. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 05:02:12PM -0400, Larry Linder wrote: > > >> Nothing should be this hard to configure and set up. > > >> > > >> 1. The install did not recognize two other disks on system. > > >> if you run "fs" you get a list of disks and a number of /tmp partitions. > > >> When you try to edit "fstab" it is non-sensical. Didn't try to run > > >> "mount" as the man pages are not what you see. !!!! > > >> > > >> 2. Video is basic VGA and it ignored my GForce dual monitor card. > > >> > > >> 3. Tried to install printers and didn't see "cups" even though I > > >> selected it to install. > > >> > > >> 4. I tried to run a couple of our linux cad packages and bash could not > > >> run the process. Permissions and ownership was Checked but no luck. > > >> > > >> 5. Even setting up the sytem name and UID to what we use on the other > > >> systems had to be manually. Graphic network didn't give you a clue. > > >> > > >> 6. When it shuts down you have to pound on the key-board and try every > > >> key and then after a long time it finally wakes up. Couldn't what key > > >> did it. > > >> Just don't have time to screw with it. > > >> > > >> After spending two days I gave up. > > >> This whole think looks like a very low level business workstation for > > >> the mentally challanged. Run my IBM computer the way I designed it or > > >> just go away. You can only run my programs you can download. Most look > > >> retarded such as "CHEESE" is there a connection between title and > > >> function - its a major stretch of the immagination. > > >> > > >> It wants you use a cloud for everything - we don't want to use the cloud > > >> for anything. Our internet provider sometimes takes a 1/2 hr nap during > > >> the day. Its very fast when it works. (Spectrum) - AT&T in our > > >> location was hopeless, bad service, bad price. > > >> > > >> For now we are going to upgrade all systems to SL 7.7 and then look for > > >> a linux that is usefull for real engineering, manufacturing and > > >> business. > > >> > > >> The labs should look at building there own. > > >> > > >> Any suggestions? > > >> > > >> I will go back to work and give up on centos 8. If I had purchased > > >> RedHat 8 I would be really p****ed for getting ripped off. > > >> > > >> Larry Linder > > >> > > > -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
