Dave, Thanks for your feedback. We actually have quite a number of sponsors and you’ll be hearing quite a bit about that soon. ;)
We may not have done the best job of communicating that yet, but we are working on it. We all have strengths and weaknesses. Also, AlmaLinux is not CloudLinux. We are a totally separate 501©6 non-profit org and CL is but one of our sponsors. This is a common misconception going around in the community and it may be related to how things were first announced. Things move pretty quickly, and our community is pretty lively. Additional infrastructure is coming into focus quickly as well. Our build/dev/test system is set to be released in the next couple of weeks and we are also working on tandem on all the other bits and pieces. It all just takes a bit of time. Thanks, Jack > On May 5, 2021, at 18:35, Dave Dykstra <d...@fnal.gov> wrote: > > Jack, > > As James Pulver mentioned, I have seen a much larger slice of the > community get behind Rocky than Alma. They took longer to get their > first release candidate out (which is available now, although I don't > think I have seen that mentioned on this list) because they're putting a > lot of effort into making an infrastructure that can include a lot of > people. I don't see how the small CloudLinux company can maintain the > investment they promise long term. They want to have the community take > it over, but so far at least the only publicly announced company > sponsors or partners I have seen is CloudLinux. On the other hand Rocky > has 10 companies announced: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__rockylinux.org_news_rocky-2Dlinux-2D8-2D3-2Drc1-2Drelease_&d=DwIFaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A&m=mqvkzA08RNIAtFAYxl9krXf0edl2jmWgFATjQUMLnwQ&s=-baVqnCasrJM728QG-OztRo2WghijxKN8_DcaB9NOG0&e= > > > Dave > > On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 02:39:30PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >> Dave, >> >> Thanks for your response. My message was going to everyone on the list, not >> necessarily just the decision makers. To me/us it's important to involve the >> whole community not just any specific decision makers. >> >> Thanks for your feedback. If you don't mind, can you just give me more >> insight/feedback as to why you think that Rocky is better positioned? I'm >> curious to hear your opinion. >> >> Thanks, >> Jack >> >>> On May 4, 2021, at 11:30, Dave Dykstra <d...@fnal.gov> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jack, >>> >>> I am not involved in the decision-making regarding Linux here at >>> Fermilab, so I'm just a community member as well. I think it's good >>> to have options but in my opinion the Rocky Linux effort is better >>> positioned for long term support by the community than AlmaLinux is. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 05:54:35PM -0400, Jack Aboutboul wrote: >>>> Hi Bonnie, Dave, et. al. >>>> >>>> I am a long time Fedora person and now the community manager of AlmaLinux. >>>> >>>> We certainly understand the quandary you are now in and we deeply value >>>> the work that you and the scientific (both capital S and lower-case) >>>> community do. It is of utmost importance to humanity. Likewise, we can >>>> only begin to image the loop that the CentOS EOL announcement must have >>>> caused you. >>>> >>>> We are ready, willing and able to help. We released our x86_64 STABLE a >>>> drop over a month ago and are working on other architectures now. We are >>>> also in the process of opening up our-next generation build system, >>>> amongst other things. >>>> >>>> I extend a hand to the Scientific community-at-large to work together with >>>> you all to build whatever it is that you need. We are even open to >>>> offering a board seat (yes despite what FUD people try and spread, we are >>>> community-governed) to someone from fermilab/cern (or some other >>>> representative) to ensure that the relevant voices are heard and acted >>>> upon. >>>> >>>> I'm reaching out to you out of my own volition, because I respect you and >>>> the work you do and its vital impact in the humanity both present and >>>> future. >>>> >>>> Seriously, anything we can do for you guys, any way we can help in order >>>> to promote and foster scientific research, we stand at the fore ready to >>>> get it done. >>>> >>>> I am sure there may be questions and I would be glad to answer anything >>>> anyone would like to know more about. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Jack >>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2021, at 07:25, Bonnie King <bonn...@fnal.gov> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Konstantin, >>>>> >>>>> There hasn't been any official statement. On the Fermilab side we are >>>>> holding discussions and gathering feedback from experiments and other >>>>> collaborators. >>>>> >>>>> We are working on it and will make an announcement soon. >>>>> >>>>> Bonnie King >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov >>>>> <owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov> on behalf of Konstantin >>>>> Olchanski <olcha...@triumf.ca> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 1, 2021 9:27 AM >>>>> To: Dave Dykstra >>>>> Cc: scientific-linux-users >>>>> Subject: Re: any update on CERN Linux and CentOS-8 situation? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 09:35:02PM +0000, Dave Dykstra wrote: >>>>>> Both Fermilab and CERN have stated that they plan to use CentOS 8 stream >>>>>> for now (or Scientific Linux 7 or CentOS 7) and will evaluate later >>>>>> whether or not to switch to one of the clones. >>>>> >>>>> Interesting. I do not see any information about this and I believe >>>>> I receive both internal and external official communications from CERN. >>>>> >>>>> Do you know who and when made this "centos stream" statement? >>>>> >>>>> K.O. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:35:18AM -0700, Konstantin Olchanski wrote: >>>>>>> Any news or updates on the status of CERN Linux? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Per https://linux.web.cern.ch/centos8/ CERN users are strongly >>>>>>> encouraged >>>>>>> to use CentOS-8 while the same page states that support for CentOS-8 >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> end at the end of this year. Update is promised "during Q1 2021", today >>>>>>> we are 1/3 into Q2 2021, and there is no new information. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The CentOS forums are graveyard quiet. (censored?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any information from the FermiLab side of things? Any information from >>>>>>> the SL side >>>>>>> of things? Any rumours? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I opened a support ticket with CERN about this, let's see what they say. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --
