WTF???
Holy crap, I *never* would have made the connection! Connor was his son, right?
I remember thinking he didn't look all that tough, though i guess he was in
that lean, early Spider-Man kind of way. But now, he really looks frankly a
little wimpy, and there's none of even Conn0r's fire! Amazing change!
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From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Angel's Son
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > which one was Vincent? I'm blanking?
> >
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> > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > > >
> >
> > > That's Vincent from Angel. Hasn't he changed?
> > >
> > > Tracey
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ..the weird looking guy in the office making love to the naive
> > > > secretary on his couch, then treating her with contempt borne of
> > > > jealousy at a party...
> > > >
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> > > > From: "ravenadal" >
> > > > Interestingly, the things in Mad Men that fascinate and appall me the
> > > > most are the simple everyday things - like pregnant women smoking and
> > > > drinking, children being unretrained while bouncing around inside
> > > > cars, people being allowed to drive after obviously imbibing way too
> > > > much alcohol, the ad guy bringing the boss home unexpectantly and the
> > > > wife having to eat a salad (while pretend to be on a diet) while the
> > > > men eat steak. Stuff like that.
> > > >
> > > > ~(no)rave!
> > > >
> > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > > , "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> > > > Tracey L. Minor)" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I totally agree. It is a well-written, well produced and performed
> > > > > show, but the world projected to the viewers is like some dark ugly
> > > > > caricature of the worse parts of the sixties. The portrayal of
> > > > Blacks
> > > > > does not bother me as much because, in advertising-- even now there
> > > > are
> > > > > very few blacks despite the crack down by the federal government in
> > > > 1978
> > > > > and last year by the New York attorney general. . I do not think
> > > > our
> > > > > world and their world overlapped much accept for as
> > > > cleaning /janitorial
> > > > > staff. I would have had simmer anger boiling underneath if I had
> > > > to be
> > > > > the invisible underlings of these nasty pricks.
> > > > >
> > > > > A major problem, is there is no protagonist in the traditional
> > > > sense to
> > > > > root for. The protagonists of the story are cynical, jaded,
> > > > > self-centered and egotistical. Right now the only characters that
> > > > are
> > > > > appealing are the divorcee and the jewish female department store
> > > > > owner. Neither are major characters. The secretary might be
> > > > appealing,
> > > > > but her sexual behavior initially toward her boss and then the guy
> > > > who
> > > > > used to play Vincent on angel is strange. Viewers may not always
> > > > agree
> > > > > with the actions and motivations of characters, but it is the job
> > > > of the
> > > > > writers to help us understand them. I do not think the writers did
> > > > that
> > > > > with her character. Sometimes I get the impression that the
> > > > characters
> > > > > are drawn to bring about the the shock we feel at the jaded aspects
> > > > of
> > > > > the show. The main character is interesting, but again UGLY. Its
> > > > hard
> > > > > to route for him.
> > > > >
> > > > > I keep saying I'm not going to watch anymore, because of all the
> > > > > negative feeling it evokes, but I sometimes find myself returning
> > > > in
> > > > > fascinated horror. I wonder how the show would have been if if it
> > > > had a
> > > > > more balanced look at "mad men" of that era
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i watch it, but find it to be strange. "Dark", indeed, it's
> > > > almost
> > > > > > like some kind of funhouse mirror of the time, showing all the
> > > > warped
> > > > > > and borderline perverted aspects of the time. Can't quite put my
> > > > > > finger on it, but it makes me uncomfortable. There's palpable
> > > > menace
> > > > > > in every show, even when the people are joking. It's as if any
> > > > second
> > > > > > you expect one of the men (and this is about men) to do something
> > > > > > brutal. They can be extremely callous towards and dismissive of
> > > > women,
> > > > > > most of whom are just objects to be used for work or play, then
> > > > > > discarded. Of course the only blacks I've seen are elevator
> > > > operators
> > > > > > and janitors. Many of the men speak in slow, stilted speech,
> > > > almost
> > > > > > mumbling, like they're angry or guarded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's almost like a stylized dream (nightmarish) version of the
> > > > time.
> > > > > > The look is dead on, but almost too much so, if that makes sense.
> > > > The
> > > > > > colors feel too vibrant, the suits and hairstyles too perfect,
> > > > the
> > > > > > sets too dead on, as if someone took all the obvious visual
> > > > aspects of
> > > > > > the time and put them on screen. It almost feels like a Julie
> > > > Taymor
> > > > > > ("Freda", "The Lion King" musical) type treatment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can't get comfortable with any of the men, who run the gamut
> > > > from
> > > > > > predatory to psycho. Some of the women seem really troubled, as
> > > > if the
> > > > > > oppression of the times has warped their minds--they can't
> > > > fulfill
> > > > > > themselves as they'd like in a man's world, so they find other,
> > > > odd
> > > > > > ways to get release.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everyone in the show feels slightly off, twisted, more like
> > > > patients
> > > > > > in a mental ward. Really weird vibe.
> > > > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > > > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I remeber there being a few fans of this dark look at the 60ths
> > > > on the
> > > > > > > list, so I thought this would interest you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mad Men Gets a Second Season
> > > > > > > AMC series will be back for more.
> > > > > > > by IGN Staff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > September 19, 2007 - Variety reports that AMC's Mad Men is
> > > > about to be
> > > > > > > renewed for a second season, with the official announcement set
> > > > to be
> > > > > > > made as early as the end of today. The series, focusing on New
> > > > York
> > > > > > City
> > > > > > > advertising executives in the 1960s, has been a critical
> > > > favorite this
> > > > > > > season and done well for the cable station.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Variety notes the ratings for the series have shown a
> > > > particular
> > > > > > upswing
> > > > > > > in the male demographic for AMC.
> > > > > > > http://tv.ign.com/articles/821/821190p1.html
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