You and Daryle refresh my memory. What was the outline of the script Smith submitted all those years ago? There was Nicholas Cage being tapped to play Superman for a minute. Never panned out, thank the spirits, but Cage got paid some kind of crazy fee just to verbally say he'd be around to do it. I remember one script that took place after Superman's return from "death" at the hands of Doomsday. in that script, as in the comic, Supes isn't back to full power yet. he can't fly, doesn't have heat vision, strength and invulnerability severely compromised. But while he travels with super leaps in the comics, the movie script was going to have him on a motorcycle, riding around town like the Punisher or something. I think he was going to get his full powers back near the end.
Then there was the rumoured "Batman vs. Superman" script. Can't honestly remember if that one was the same as the depowered script i mentioned, or a separate work. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Personally, I would've given it to Smith at first, because he's much more in tune with the comics world (owns a comic shop in NYC) than Singer. Sure, some may say, "Look at what he did with X-Men." That's exactly why I say that Smith should have it. Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This was on HBO yesterday and it was the first time I¹d seen it completely since I saw it in the theater. It is clear to me now that Singer took himself entirely too seriously on this picture, and that he has put HIMSELF in this picture. It also clear to me that Kevin Smith write the best script for this picture and was ignored, and it is equally clear to me that handing X3 to Brett Ratner was probably the best idea of them all. I am very interested to see this new picture Bryan is doing with Tom Cruise, because I have this feeling like we¹ve seen Singer¹s best work in ³The Usual Suspects². I have this really strange feeling that if we go back into Bryan Singer¹s past we¹re going to find a girl back in high school that looked exactly like the woman cast as Lois Lane. The best actor in all of the Daily Planet scenes is the guy who played Jimmy Olsen. Looking at Superman Returns after 6 or so months I feel like I¹ve just watched two movies: The one Kevin Spacey is in, and the one Bryan Sing I mean Brandon Routh is in. Because there¹s a really GREAT movie in this. One with a really dark and brutal Lex Luthor with a textbook sinister plan. And then there¹s all this sap about ³The Father becomes the son². Warner could never do this, but they should really go back to Kevin Smith and give him a shot at the next Superman movie. On 1/7/08 11:33 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > yeah, and that wouldn't bother me too much if the rest of the movie didn't > suck. The moments of majesty were really good. I even liked the one where he's > hovering above Earth, eyes closed, listening to chatter all over the world, > then speeding down to handle a crisis. That definitely heightened the > impression of a godlike being, a guardian angel. It emphasized that Superman > is an "alien", in many ways alone and separate from the people he protects. > And *that* would have been okay if the rest of the movie didn't suck. I get > what Singer was trying to do: deal with the literal alienation this super > alien feels from the mortals who love and need him, but who don't really > understand him. He has powers beyond our ken, and he's loved, but that doesn't > mean he's not also burdened by his duties to humanity. Look at how he was > criticized for having left Earth for several years. Ungrateful mortal > wretches who love/hate their protector god. > > I get that Clark and Lois and Jimmy and the rest are his anchors to the human > world. And, frankly, once you brought up this Christ like thing, I get more > than ever that was what Singer was trying to do. It was just presented in such > a syurpy, heavy-handed, uneven way that it feel flat. As Tracey said, it was > sleep inducing. > > There have long been two ways to handle Superman: as Clark Kent, the man who > happens to possess the power of a god, and who wears Superman as a mask; or as > Kal-El, the alien who feels apart from humanity, and who wears the mask of the > being called Clark Kent. I've long favored the first approach, as I like Clark > as a confident man who must figure out how to be super. The movies use the > second approach, the god who hides behind a mask of humanity from time to > time. The second approach can work--if the movie doesn't suck. Unfortunately > "Superman Returns" did. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:daikaiju66%40yahoo.com> > > There was a big discussion about this when the movie was released. > Someone connected to the film talked about Superman being being a god > or Christlike figure in the movie. > > I think a few shots like the charge up above the clouds, his > struggles when he was getting rid of the kryptonian landmass and the > aftermath could definitely give that impression. > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> , > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > >> > how's that? >> > >> > -------------- Original message -------------- >> > From: "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > The whole Superman as Christ figure was a big turn off for me as > well. >> > >> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> , >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly >> > Tracey L. Minor)" <tdlists@> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > It barely registered for me. The writing was lackluster, the plot >>> > > uninspired. miscasting of the two leads. Reintroducing the > franchise >>> > > with too much focus on romance. I barely remember it. My husband > fell >>> > > asleep watching it. >>> > > >>> > > KeithBJohnson@ wrote: >>>> > > > Yeah, Routh was a bit "mild" as both Supes and Clark. Not sure > if >> > it's the writing, or his character. I do know the way Singer wrote > the >> > characters didn't help. he made Superman so pensive and pining for >> > Lois. It's as if you took all the sometimes irritating "I love Lana >> > but can never be with her" puppy dog sadness of clark > on "Smallville" >> > and concentrated into Routh in the movie. gag! >>>> > > > >>>> > > > what about he movie most annoyed you? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- >>>> > > > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" > <tdlists@> >>>> > > > I really wanted to like it too. I was sooooo underwhelmed. >>>> > > > Particularly by their choice for Superman. Nothing against > Brandon >>>> > > > Routh, but he just does not register. He's got no charisma or > star >>>> > > > power. If the title character puts you to sleep, the movie is > doomed >>>> > > > You said it all Keith. and Darryl you are right. It is best if > we >> > just >>>> > > > all pretend that "Superman Returns" never happened, then. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > KeithBJohnson@ wrote: >>>> > > > >>>>> > > >> one of the biggest disappointments to me recently. i wanted to >> > love this movie. The trailers had me excited ( i even posted here >> > about them). But it was bogged down in a soggy love story, a >> > completely unengaging and unimpressive Lois Lane, not enough good >> > action. Another big thing is they need to jettison the comedic Lex >> > Luthor, which i hate. One minute he's a deadly menace, the next he's >> > doing standup. Luthor is evil, make him so and drop the jokes. > Spacey >> > was effective when he was bad, like stabbing supes with the Green K. >> > But when he was acting goofy i just groaned. And finally, i *hate* > the >> > nerdy Clark Kent. I was never a fan of the stumbling nerd Clark, > which >> > is too much caricature for me. Much prefer the way he was back in > the >> > original comics, after John Byrne's reboot, or on "Smallville": a >> > regular guy who some might think at first is a bit too mild, but >> > capable of amazing acts. I think Clark as a strong person in his own >> > right makes the character much more interesti >>>>> > > >> >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > >> ng. >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> -------------- Original message -------------- >>>>> > > >> From: Daryle <yokozuna@> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> So we can just all pretend that "Superman Returns" never >> > happened, then. >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> On 1/4/08 2:35 AM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. > Minor)" >>>>> > > >> <tdlists@> wrote: >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >>> Singer Won't Do Next Superman? >>>>>> > > >>> http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890 >>>>>> <http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=46890> >>>>>> > > >>> Variety columnist Anne Thompson reported that it is "highly >> > unlikely" >>>>>> > > >>> that Superman Returns helmer Bryan Singer will return to shoot >> > the next >>>>>> > > >>> Superman movie. >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> Singer is finishing up Tom Cruise's Nazi film Valkyrie and >> > prepping The >>>>>> > > >>> Mayor of Castro Street. >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be >> > [Superman >>>>>> > > >>> Returns star] Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a > cast of >>>>>> > > >>> youthful superheroes in ... Justice League," Thompson wrote. >> > "That movie >>>>>> > > >>> will likely not be shot, however, until after the [writers'] >> > strike is >>>>>> > > >>> resolved." >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> Thompson also reported details of the upcoming The Dark > Knight, >>>>>> > > >>> Christopher Nolan's sequel to his Batman Begins. Warner > Brothers is >>>>>> > > >>> hoping Nolan returns for a third installment, Thompson wrote. >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> Yahoo! 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