Pal, maybe I should've gone with the extra onions?
Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yup...this
discussion is much older than you realize...We've been badgering Keith to do
his thing for a while now with me and Martin breathing down his neck! LOL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was saying "yes, dad" to Astro. No, no offense at
all! I appreciate your compliment and comments, same for everyone else.
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From: Bosco Bosco
Hey Keith
I am sure that I am probably just missing something here. I didnt
really understand your response and I wanted to make sure I had not
caused offense.
thanks
B
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> yes, dad! :)
>
> thanks, seriously, though
>
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> From: Astromancer
> Ditto, Keith...What are you waiting for???
>
>
> Bosco Bosco wrote:
> Damn Keith. You're a hell of a good writer. I love your insights
> and
> the skill with which you present them. Have you ever considered
> pursuing it further? If so, have you written anything I could see?
>
> Bravo!!!
>
> Bosco
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > well, that's the balancing act of being a leader of any kind:
> > weighing what you think is right versus what those you serve
> think.
> > Always keep only your own counsel, and you're an autocrat,
> harmful
> > to the people. Do whatever is popular, and you're a weakling, not
> > helping the people to see what's best for them in times when they
> > don't know it themselves.
> >
> > Maybe I'm a cynic, maybe I distrust authority. But I always think
> > of those times in history when the majority (or the most vocal
> and
> > influential minority) of the population wanted something that
> > wasn't right or moral, or simply efficacious in the long run:
> when
> > whites wanted slavery, then later, Jim Crow. When men didn't want
> > women to vote. When Germans actively wanted--or passively agreed
> > with--the subjugation of the Jews. When white South Africans
> wanted
> > their colored countrymen to remain as second class citizens. A
> > century from now, perhaps some will look back on a society that
> > taxed gays but refused to let them serve in the military equally,
> > or enjoy the same domestic rights as the rest of us, and say "If
> > only there had been a leader who'd done what was right instead of
> > what was popular". After 9-11, this country wanted
> blood--anyone's
> > blood. I always liken America's mood then to that of a crazed dog
> > that snaps at and attacks whomever happens to be near. Bush and
> his
> > gang poin
> > ted us in that direction, then said "This is what they want". And
> > all of our leaders--almost every dang one of them with a few
> > notable exceptions--went along with that fevered fervor, afraid
> to
> > buck the will of the people. Well, that's why I have a leader: to
> > see things more clearly in times when perhaps I can't, to make
> > decisions based on more information and considered thought than I
> > have.
> >
> > If I'm going to have someone lead me, it's because he or she has
> > the capacity sometimes to make me better, to see the bigger
> picture
> > in ways I can't always do. That requires someone with certain
> > convictions and basic principles that will guide him or her, that
> > won't change with the times or the whim of the public. A leader
> > should be a rudder for a ship in a storm (lots of metaphors I
> > know!) that can guide us in the right direction. Yes, sometimes
> > sticking to a set of beliefs stubbornly can be wrong. Bush is
> proof
> > of that in the way he's singlemindedly pursued a disastrous
> foreign
> > policy. But you know, at least I know where Bush stands, and
> > that's a good thing because i can then decide that he's not right
> > for the job and get him out. I know who and what he is, and I've
> > decided he's not right for me. There's a certain honesty and
> > courage in his stance, that allows me to see him for what he is
> and
> > then--fire him. And that's the point: a leader leads by trying to
> > get us to go in cert
> > ain ways, based on what we want and what he or she thinks is best
> > for us. If those two views differ greatly, then perhaps that
> leader
> > will be sent packing. Look at how McCain is hated for
> > ultra-conservatives because he wants a more reasoned approach to
> > illegal immigration, and the Bush tax cuts. But despite what it's
> > costing him, he still holds to those views. yet at the same time,
> > he's trying to modify them somewhat to go along with the people.
> A
> > balancing act.
> >
> > But with someone like Romney, who keeps changing to meet the mood
> > of the day, how can we ever know whether he's ultimately good or
> > bad for us? How will I know that in that one moment when I am
> > wrong, and I need him to be right, he won't do the popular thing
> > instead of the right thing?
> >
> > A
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "maidmarian_thepoet"
> > I may be stepping into it...but what exactly is wrong with a
> public
> > official supporting the wishes of his constituents? I wish that
> my
> > officials here really supported my beliefs instead of catering to
> > the
> > religious right. Of course, you can say that they are supporting
> > them---but that's my point. Wasn't he being a true representative
> > of
> > Mass. voters at that time? Now he is claiming that he could be a
> > true
> > representative of conservative voters. Isn't that his job?
> >
> > I am still recalling listening to a "This American Life" episode
> in
> > which a guy who was pro-choice supported Bush because he didn't
> > flip-flop on issues. He admitted that he didn't like any of
> Bush's
> > stances on issuses, but he voted for him because he didn't
> > flip-flop.
> > Why on earth should I vote for someone who won't vote my way?
> He's
> > my
> > representative, not a representative of his own convictions. If
> he
> > can
> > change my mind because he believes me wrong, that's one thing.
> But
> > he
> > shouldn't be voting his convictions whilly-nilly.
> >
> > Ok, I will get off my soapbox now. :-)
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Like i said, an opportunistic flip-flopper. He was pro-choice,
> > pro
> > immigration (in terms of working something out instead of
> sounding
> > like
> > a Klansman), not averse to taxes as needed (which he calls
> "fees",
> > but
> > same difference). I heard a speech he gave just a few years back
> > where
> > he explicitly said he didn't want to try and recreate the Reagan
> > days.
> > Now he's a rabid ultr-conservative nut who evokes Reagan more
> than
> > some
> > of us call on God!
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead.
> I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
>
> You know these things that happen,
> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> And I can't help but wonder,
> Don't ya know it coulda been me.
>
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