thanks, I really need to think more about this. i was always hoping, since last year, it'd be Obama/Edwards. But with Edwards off the table, I have to stop thinking about someone I *like* and start thinking in terms of all the manueverings and practicalities of the VP candidate. Jim Webb is one, but as some said, it might not be good to lose his voice in the Senate.
-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tracey de Morsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state -----Original Message----- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket hey Keith Who would you like to see on the ticket? I am undecided. There are things I absolutely love about HRC and things that make me bum out as much as any poltician has ever made me bum out. I'm curious to know who the other folks under consideration are in the Obama camp. B --- On Sun, 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream > ticket > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 10:03 AM > For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now > that she shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and > her own ambition. As listed below, Bill can't keep his > thoughts to himself. I can't even imagine what it'd > be like to have him: angry at Hillary being only the veep, > disparaging of Obama's "lack of experience", > full of himself and the advice he'd have to give as a > two-term Prez, ticked when Obama would (inevitably) not > seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and frankly, > jealous of the spotlight Obama would have. > The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants > to be Prez, and everything from her veiled racist strategy > ("I get hard-working, white voters") to the other > dirty tricks show she'd work behind the scenes to > undermine Obama. I think-and I believe Obama thinks--that > she'd be plotting against him all the time she's > grinning in his face. > > She's in her 60's now, think she wants to wait > *eight* years and try again? No way in hell. And trying to > be a VP who then steps out and challenges your Prez in the > next election, how damaging would that be? Has that ever > been done, a VP challenging his sitting Prez for the > nomination? Talk about a mess. I can't see Obama > wanting to deal with that potential hazard. > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_dems_bd18may18,0,7163200.story > chicagotribune.com > > Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket > > Tribune staff report > > May 18, 2008 > > The Democratic primary battle may not technically be over, > but I'm > ready to move on to the next phase of windy speculation and > gratuitous > strategery. > > So here are eight reasons Barack Obama should not offer > Hillary > Clinton the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket: > > 1. She's a familiar Washington insider and a major > premise of his > candidacy has been changing the ways of Washington. > > 2. She's pandered brazenly and attacked personally on > the campaign > trail, showing herself to be the embodiment of "the > old way of doing > politics" Obama has disparaged. > > 3. Her husband, the former president, has shown an > inability to stay > on message and keep his foot out of his mouth. > > 4. She's polarizing. Clinton's unfavorable ratings > are from 7 to 16 > points higher than Obama's in recent national polls. > > 5. She'll star in Republican attack ads against Obama: > The "I believe > that I've met the qualifications to be > commander-in-chief" ad will > show her saying, "Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that > and you'll have > to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy." > > 6. She crossed the line when she repeated this thought > several times > to reporters in early March: "I have a lifetime of > experience that I > will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a > lifetime of > experience that he'd bring to the White House. > > And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." > > 7. She's toting unpacked baggage. Obama's high-road > approach has kept > him from doing what Republican operatives are itching to > do: Dig up > the half-buried Clinton family scandals of the 1990s and > turn over > every rock from the last eight years looking for more. > > 8. Politically, a teammate is better than a counterweight. > Bill > Clinton himself demonstrated this when he picked another > young > moderate Democrat from the mid-South â Al Gore of > Tennessee â and the > two ran a vigorous, consistent campaign. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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