Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not
going to like this film.
I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or
even, at this point, care.
Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia.
That leaves more seats for the rest of us.
Justin
On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan
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And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie
all of my life--*loved* the movie!
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On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@lycos.com
> wrote:
That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own
words.
"If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie."
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Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 -0000
From : "sincere1906" <sincere1...@gmail.com>
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Okay. Getting real Trek geek here...
SPOILERS!
SPOILERS!
SPOILSRS!
Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we
got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must
be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some
alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon
as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through
the time line?
Jes thinkin aloud...
Sin
-- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "sincere1906" wrote:
>
> Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am
just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing
this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes...
>
> S P O I L E R S ! ! !
>
> I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent.
There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable.
I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to
Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four.
>
> The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group
like this, is was it good Trek?
>
> On this, I'm truly torn.
>
> First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you
know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious!
Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing
Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been
severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--
right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never
seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers
of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their
hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual
minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered,
not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They
should call this "Ultimate Star Trek!" There's a sense of loss here
knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer
exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future
figures like Picard might never have been born. For the !
first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit
into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to.
>
> Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure
out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with
all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical
positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I
don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision
here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and
politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more
than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack
Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but "what
the frack!?!" Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a
post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern
Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek
world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the
verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes
of the old world they built a new one--eliminating povert!
y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism
and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if
Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly
utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this
Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they can
possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look back on our era
the way we would at someone stepped out of the 12th century. Can't
see them however debating the philosophical merits of the prime
directive.
>
> My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't
have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of
principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good
and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment
before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see...
>
> MHO
>
> Sin/Black Galactus
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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