IMAX seats, thank you!
On May 10, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Justin Mohareb wrote:
Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're
not going to like this film.
I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or
even, at this point, care.
Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia.
That leaves more seats for the rest of us.
Justin
On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan
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And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a
Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie!
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On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter
<truthseeker...@lycos.com>wrote:
That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own
words.
"If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie."
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Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 -0000
From : "sincere1906" <sincere1...@gmail.com>
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Okay. Getting real Trek geek here...
SPOILERS!
SPOILERS!
SPOILSRS!
Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we
got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they
must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't
some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere
as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling
through the time line?
Jes thinkin aloud...
Sin
-- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "sincere1906" wrote:
>
> Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am
just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing
this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes...
>
> S P O I L E R S ! ! !
>
> I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent.
There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was
relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--
even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out
of four.
>
> The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group
like this, is was it good Trek?
>
> On this, I'm truly torn.
>
> First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you
know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious!
Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and
killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point
on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of
new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and
Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and
daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire
alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with
Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the
Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power
in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this "Ultimate Star Trek!"
There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that
I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other
timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never
have been born. For the !
first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit
into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to.
>
> Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure
out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with
all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical
positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc.
I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a
vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as
socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing
illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia,
Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi
swear word, but "what the frack!?!" Earth endures eugenics wars, a
nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional
powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges
unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that
humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon
First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new
one--eliminating povert!
y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond
capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be
surprised if Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted
at being overly utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure
reality. But this Trek has characters so much like us, I don't
understand how they can possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek
folks look back on our era the way we would at someone stepped out
of the 12th century. Can't see them however debating the
philosophical merits of the prime directive.
>
> My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't
have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set
of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real
good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that
judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see...
>
> MHO
>
> Sin/Black Galactus
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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