Keith, there might be, but what's a distance limit to a nutjob with military sniper training? (I state that because, aty one of the town hall meetings, some WWII vet stood up and said openly that, in order to stop health care reform, he would pick up a gun and go to D.C. And then he asked for people to accompany him.
Thunderous applause... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:07:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech That frightens me no end. When Cindy Sheehan used to park outside Bush's Crawford ranch and stage protests, the Right was all over her. They said she was nuts, said she was stirring up trouble, often spoke of the dangerous climate she was creating. Yet the silence on people wearing guns near Obama is deafening. I know it's a state's right thing, but shouldn't there be a way to modify laws where people can't carry guns within a certain distance of the President? Or is there already such a provision in state laws that require these nuts to keep their distance? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:50:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech (standing ovation) I've talked about the nutjobs who carried guns at the Obama healthcare event awhile back. One of the still-stunning things about that was the sheer number of people who watched that and, knowing that there have been numerous death threats against the President, that it was sheer idiocy to carry guns to such an event, still saw nothing wrong with it. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:04:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech I am reminded of the history of King Henry II and his battles with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket. Frustrated with Becket's resistance to his attempt to gain more control over the Church, Henry was said to have exclaimed one day "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?!" (The real history suggests he said something much less dramatically pithy, something along the lines of "What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?") Whatever his exact words, Henry's statement was interpreted by several of his knights as a desire to have Becket eliminated, and later, four of them murdered the archbishop most violently, literally cutting off the top of his head with their swords, and scattering his brains along the pavement. As I listen to senators and congressmen, former governors and "journalists", parents, teachers, and preachers bewail and bemoan the danger of Obama, I think of that event. We already have people wearing sidearms around Obama, and parents so stupid they believe he's subliminally programming their kids. How much more will it take for some overzealous fool to see and hear in the words and actions of Boehner and others a command to rid them of this President? And who will claim responsibility for creating the climate that led to such a tragic attempt? ----- Original Message ----- From: "daikaiju66" <daikaij...@yahoo.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:22:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@...> wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill > clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in > any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still > lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line > the minute I'm done here. > > And I'll throw in "You might want to read the bill.) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 +0000 > Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During > Speech > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > I don't usually get into the "write this person or call that one" thing, but > you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the > Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a > racist. He's been labeled Nazi, "Christian" ministers are praying for his > death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to > listen to him give a fairly safe, canned "Stay in school and study hard > speech". (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today > burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). > > Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can > remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys > standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something > that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given > him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as > many death threats as is "normal" for a President. And of course, the health > care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, > with charges of "death panels", socialism, government takeovers, etc., > running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been > maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the > garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay > above the stench of it all. > > But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina > representative Joe Wilson clearly yells "you lie!" at the President's > assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care > plan. > > View the video and see the picture of him here: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html > > My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being > discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right > become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on > television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect > for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the > dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect > it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is > going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all > the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that > has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of > Palin, still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's > charges of racism and witch hunts against good men. > > This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and it has got > to stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous. In an environment > where people wear sidearms around the President and feel empowered to call > him a liar to his face, something is very, very wrong--and we have to take a > step to stop it. > > I'm taking a small step tonight. I am trying to e-mail and call Joe Wilson to > express my disgust and displeasure at what he's done. I say "trying" because > all communication methods are currently busy. Phone lies busy, website, slow. > But I provide the below links and ask you to do the same. And then, maybe we > need to get John Boehner's contact info as well and let him know how > disgusting this is. > > It's time to draw a line in the sand of this foolishness and hate. Let's > start the line in S.C. Contact info for Wilson is below: > > Send an e-mail to him here: http://www.house.gov/formwilson/IMA/issue.htm > > Contact info (all numbers have been busy since I've tried them tonight) > > The Midlands' Office • 1700 Sunset Blcd (US 378), Suite 1 • West > Columbia, SC 29169 • Phone: (803) 939-0041 • Fax: (803) 939-0078 > > The Lowcountry Office • 903 Port Republic Street • Beaufort, SC 29902 • > Phone: (843) 521-2530 • Fax: (843) 521-2535 > > Washington Office • 212 Cannon House Office Building • Washington, DC > 20515 • Phone: (202) 225-2452 • Fax: (202) 225-2455 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 > Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. 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