I believe that there needs to be more of a dialog on this but until someone in the media takes on the topic it will not exist.
I guess Whoopi and others are the equivalent of self hating black ala Uncle Ruckus. Or denial on overdrive. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > > > You're right on both counts. Gibson's dad spends his time as a traveling > Holocaust denier. Gibson subscribes to some older tenets of the Catholic > Church--officially abandoned by the church a few decades back--that lean > more toward things such as condemning the Jews for the Crucifixtion. I have > certainly known closet bigots on this level in my life, but it's been a > while... > As for Goldberg, unfortunately I have friends and relatives just like that. > They condemn blacks for all the wrongs they suffered at their hands, but > don't hold the same grudges against whites. I have black friends who are > really quick to call blacks "ghetto", or label all black women golddiggers > or whatever, but who never speak in general terms about the bad > characteristics of other ethnic groups. Dennis Rodman is an example. He > loves to say he dates white women because black women were so cruel to him > before he gained fame and money. somehow he's never forgiven those > knucklehead sisters who were shallow in his youth, but doesn't seem to > realize few white women would be dating him if he weren't rich? Don't get > it. A big concern of mine recently has been the explosion in black men who > are quick to call Sisters gold diggers, but don't seem to label other > races--often more deserving--as quickly with that title. > > I get that it hurts more coming from your own, but shouldn't forgiveness > start there too? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:17:36 PM > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist" > > > > I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented > anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. > > I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the > Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This > happens to a lot of people of color that gain "acceptance" through tokenism > and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right > with the world. > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson > <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > >> >> >> Brent, >> >> I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to >> people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still >> feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I >> don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online >> instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed >> recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where >> everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of >> reasons. But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have >> been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens >> me. The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at >> Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough >> evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of "The Passion of the Christ" >> were troublesome as well. >> >> As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the >> hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred >> and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how >> she attacks people who use the term "African-American", saying she's "just >> an American", as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a >> ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, >> but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to >> women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson >> a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an >> Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, >> Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them "Y'all have made it >> hard on me--very hard". She berated the audience for all the years that >> blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. >> Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at >> "black" labels, yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like >> this. >> >> Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, "What the fu**, Mel?!" >> >> ************************************************ >> >> http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist<http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner%7Ey2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist> >> >> *We've been following the goings-on over at the "Mel Gibson >> Meltdownapalooza" for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one >> or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we >> don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face >> it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the >> sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person >> could look at and say, "You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a >> racist, and probably a few other things". With that said, Whoopi Goldberg >> has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist. Read >> all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...* >> >> This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand. The current news on >> the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana >> (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons. On one side of >> the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor >> Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media. This side claims that Gibson >> was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now >> leaked to the press. On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's >> ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to "plant her in >> (his) rose garden", and that Gibson's a flaming racist. Now, just because >> there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, Whoopi Goldberg's >> got a few things to >> say:<http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/whoopi-goldberg-mel-gibson-is-not-a-racist-1560886.story?GT1=28135> >> >> *I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a >> bonehead, but I can't sit and say that he's a racist having spent time with >> him in my house with my kids," added Goldberg, 54."I don't like what he's >> done, make no mistake," she went on. "I'm not defending Mel. I'm simply >> saying I don't see him as [a racist] because that's not been my experience >> with him."* >> >> That's Whoopi Goldberg speaking to MSN.com. She's apparently taken the >> stance that, while Gibson's behavior is certainly "boneheaded", it's not >> necessarily racist. Goldberg's careful to add that she doesn't support >> Gibson's behavior or the things that he's said that might be construed as >> threatening to Gibson's ex or children, but that whole "pack of n---gers" >> thing definitely wasn't racist. With that in mind, let's take a trip down >> memory lane for the other non-racist and tolerant things that Gibson's been >> caught saying on camera, on tape, or by police officers with glorious >> breasts: >> >> *You look like a f-cking pig in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of >> n---ers, it will be your fault."* >> >> *F-cking Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world… >> Are you a Jew?"* >> >> *With this look, who's going to think I'm gay? I don't lend myself to >> that type of confusion. Do I look like a homosexual? Do I talk like them? Do >> I move like them?"* >> >> *(Ed. Note: More gay-talk) They take it up the @ss. [laughs, stands up, >> bends over, points to anus] This is only for taking a sh-t."* >> >> Those last two comments came from an interview that Gibson gave back in >> 1991 to El Pais, a Spanish publication. We can only assume that he wasn't >> speaking in Spanish during the interview, as that would just make this whole >> thing even weirder. Goldberg's really digging herself a hole by getting >> involved in this Gibson situation. Of course, getting her name out there in >> conjunction with this brouhaha will only bring more viewers to her daily >> talk show, *The View*, long known as an esteemed braintrust offering >> informed opinions on politics, world culture, and entertainment. What do >> you folks think? Should Whoopie give it a rest, or does she speak the >> truth? Sound off in the comments section below, my precious snowflakes. >> >> *UPDATE:* Right after posting this, we were tipped off that Mel Gibson's >> been revealed as having used yet another, brand-new (for Gibson) racial slur >> on tape. Radar Online's got the new tape up, and it would appear that this >> time, Gibson's taking his crusade to the Mexican community. Here's what >> the tape >> says:<http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/exclusive-audio-another-mel-gibson-slur-caught-tape-crazed-rage-listen-it-here> >> >> *I will fire (name omitted) if she’s at your house. I will make it known >> and fire her. I’ll report her to the f *cking people that take f *cking >> money from the wetbacks, ok?”* >> >> Mel's speaking, of course, about the Hispanic caretaker the couple hired >> to take care of their daughter. You know, if Mel Gibson doesn't stop making >> these non-racist comments, someone's going to get the idea that he might be >> kinda racist. Stay tuned for what we're sure will be a well-reasoned, >> informed opinion from the star of *Sister Act 2 *in the near future. By >> the way, what minority group do we have left on the Mel Gibson checklist? >> Has he taken on the Asians yet? Let's hope that Mel Gibson doesn't have any >> in his employ. >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
